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Originally Posted by willravel
I'm sorry you are only able to read what you want. That must be a terrible afffliction. 1) Nevfer did I say that the Palestinians had their own country. I was clear that they were formerly members of the Ottoman Empire, and were on their own. The land was occupied by Pelstinians, though, be they Jewish, Christian, or vastly Muslim. Jews have not always lived in the land of Palestine. They moved there after the Exodus, if you belive in that sort of thing. Palestinian is the name given to the peoples that lived in the area now called Israel. I'd call them Jewish Palestinains, which do exist.
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Agreed
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It started in 1922, with the League of Nations. Are you familiar with the Palestine Mandate?
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Your exact words in the post I responded to stated, "In the wake of World War II". The jewish state was created by UN mandate in 1948/49.
What about this? It agrees with what I said. That since 1949 Israel has recieved 74 Billion in aid. And as it goes I was wrong, since most of our dealings with Israel are in the form of loans it doesn't count as foreign aid, so looking around the web it appears Israel rakes in about 3 billion dollars in aid for the coming year of 2007.
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Israel created the Hezbollah when they invaded Lebanon just before I was born. Israel still holds the Shebaa Farms to this day. In the most current micro war/invasion of Lebanon goes, Hezbollah had no confirmed kills in Israel. Israel killed thousands of Labanese (only a few hundred confirmed as Hezbollah) and displaced millions. That's what I mean when I say Israel inflames situations.
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Israel created Hezbollah... Right. It had nothing to do with say the fractured Lebanese government and civil war, coupled with destabilization by the PLO, and the countering of foreign involvement from Syria.
In regards to the most recent conflict.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...banon_conflict
States that Israel had 44 civilian deaths and 1500 wounded from Hezbollah rocket attacks. I see no problem with the Lebanese casualties, as Hezbollah is an actor of the state, the Lebanese government did nothing to curb their actions such as the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers, nor stop the firing of rockets, Israel had every right and violated no law with their actions.
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As for the wall that has been condemned by international courts as a human rights violation, yes, they have decreased sucide bombings. You know what else would stop suicide bombings? Genocide. So why isn't genocide a viable solution? It's morally reprehensable and a crime against humanity. You can't do whatever you want to decrease crime. The wall is an illegal imprisonment of the Palestinain people in their own land by the occupying Israeli government. Do you know how many people have died because of those walls? No? I wonder why not. Could it be that an Israeli life is more important that a Palestinain life to you?
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No life is more important to me then another, I just don't believe in faulting a nation for taking actions to do its most basic and fundamental job, protecting its citizens.
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Israel is an occupying force in what should have been Palestine. Their rights are built upon more of the bullshit manifest destiny attitude of western governments who figured that the Palestinains wouldn't care if their land was given to someone else. It's absurd. Israel should have no rights as a nation because it shouldn't exist. Let them find their own land that's not already occupied by a population and claim it as their own. Maybe I should move into your living room and claim it as my own becuase you happen to be on my holy land.
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How is it manifest destiny? Granted you have the fringe people who go in an build settlements in various parts of Palestine, I'm not defending them, I don't defend any Israeli action past or present to defend those settlers. Again what I do defend is Israel occupying Gaza/West Bank/wherever as a measure to curb Palestinian violence following two Intifada's. Palestine can not now, nor have they ever in the past been able to curb the "radical" terrorist elements; the fact that they elect Hamas into power is something brought on themselves. I don't put defensive occupation into a category which violates human rights, what about the rights of Israeli citizens, nobody seems to be doing much for them in regards to the Palestinian terrorism; however I should mention as an aside I recognize the fact that they are entwined in a vicious cycle of violence.