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Originally Posted by jorgelito
Well now, if you're gonna call out Mr. LaRoe for being stupid for not knowing what kids like these days then a whole bunch of people are gonna fall into that category: grandmas for giving socks and underwear, relatives for giving fruitcake, significant others for giving the wrong size/color sweater etc.etc.
Likewise, if you gave me a Barney doll or Tickle-me Elmo doll, I would also be pissed at it for telling me all the time to love everyone etc, or to tickle it. I happen to like the Cartman Talking doll but I bet that some parents would take exception to the things he says. But hey, as long it doesn't speak any religion that's a-ok.
This is like people who get mad at In-N-Out for putting religious quotes on their soft drink cups and food wrappers.
At the end of the day, if it was truly that big of a deal, then take it back.
Whatever happend to beggars can't be choosers.....
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In fairness, that last remark of mine about Mr. LaRoe being an idiot was a flippant comment, even though it is based on my assumption that this was a calculated move on his part. However, I refuse to defend the intelligence of anyone giving fruitcake as a gift, even if it's me.
And I have to back off my diatribe a bit. I visited Toys for Tots website and learned that it is a Christmas-specific charity. I had operated under the mistaken assumption that it was all-inclusive of the winter holidays. I can concede the point that there's nothing wrong with giving a Christian gift on a Christian holiday. I still hold, however, that not everyone who celebrates Christmas does so for Christian reasons and this needs to be a consideration when gift-giving.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
jj:
please please please can i have an anton lavey doll?
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I know this woman who makes some kick-ass dolls. I'll see what I can do.
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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser
We're not talking about children who constantly have their choice of presents for Christmas, but those who usually go without Christmas gifts year in and year out. These children are happy to receive ANY toy that they are given. As I stated prior, I'd be willing to bet every penny that I own that any child who received one of the dolls wouldn't have complained about it's religious context.
If you're a parent and you don't want your child to have the toy, then take it from them. It's a hard concept to grasp, I know, but it works. You're still making a big deal out of nothing.
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Personally, I could care less if my kid got a talking Jesus doll. I'm not a Christian, but I'm also not going to deny it to my child if she chooses to be a Christian. I actually have a little toy Jesus sitting atop one of my bookshelves, courtesy of another TFPer. And believe it or not. I'm not as bent out of shape over this as it may appear. It just seemed like a decent discussion to get into, and I've actually enjoyed it so far.
However, I still still still think it was a calculated move. I'll readily admit that I could be wrong about this whole episode, but admitting one is wrong is never any fun so I tend to avoid it as much as possible.