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Old 11-14-2006, 02:24 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by shakran
Yeah. They got lucky. Don Rumsfeld was in charge and made a mess of everything. They managed to hold off a vastly undersized army that was lead by an idiot. Plus, they didn't exactly stop us cold. We were knocking on Saddam's palace door pretty damn quick after the start of the war. You forget the early days of the war when the air force was being used. The bombers, and the missiles, made hash out of that country's defenses. They folded like a card table.
I was actually speaking of the insurgency. The initial war was an unqualified success. The last few years have been anything but.

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Oh, and as to the bit about them having less than what Americans have in their gun safes, normal Americans have a rifle or three in there. They do not have improvised explosive devices, AK-47's, or rocket launchers.

Your entire statement falls apart.
Most Iraqis have 1 rattle-trap Ak sitting on top of their dresser, not the vast arsenal you suppose. Americans have the same access to IEDs as the Iraqis (thats why they are called improvised).

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What deterrant? The government wasn't deterred going into Iraq, which was able to put up a much greater defense than the civilians in our country ever could. If the government wants to get us, a few dinks with popguns isn't going to make them stop and think.
The citizens of this country, if properly motivated, would do exactly what the Iraqis are doing now with out the added distration of having to fight the other two factions in the country at the same time.

A few "dinks" with popguns (Vietcong ring a bell?) does not adequately describe the 25% of Americans who own firearms. You also assume (incorrectly) that the military of this country would just gleefully and unquestioningly go about killing it's own citizens in the defense of a regime corrupt enough to incite a rebellion.

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Again, if I legally own a gun and a criminal steals it from me, that's another gun in the hands of a criminal. If I can't legally own an assault rifle, then I can't be the conduit through which the criminal gets ahold of it.
No, he'll just get one that is smuggled into the country from Whereverstan, and you will have no recourse when he is shooting it at you other than to say, "Hey, that's illegal!"
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