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Originally Posted by willravel
I don't know how much more clear I can make this. They aren't pulling the trigger. You are. They are tempting you to take their life, sure, but it's not like you don't have a choice. YOU pull the trigger. You always have a choice, and it's in that choice that you either take responsibility for their life or not. You make it seem as if you lose the ability to control yourself if threatened. If that's the case, you have no business with a weapon. If that's not the case, you're wrong and have proven my point.
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It's not an issue of clarity; I, for one, understand you very well. But if somebody attacks me with deadly force, they have made the choice for me. It's not my business to defend myself with inferior tools when they have thrust that choice upon me. When they do that, I no longer value their life, because it is clear that they do not value mine. At that point, the situation has ALREADY sunken to levels it should never reach, and it's the best I can to come out alive. Using non-lethal force, worrying about property damage, etc, etcis a luxury I don't have time to worry about when looking out for #1.
So yes, I pull the trigger. Yes, they tempt me. Let me repeat that; they tempt me to take their life, and I'm going to take them up on their offer. Simple as that. Whether it's a gun, a knife, my car, or anything else. That's secondary. If they survive, that's secondary as well, as long as I (and those I'm trying to protect) make it. The training for carrying concealed weapons usually involves applying force until the threat is gone. So no, the goal is not to kill or maim or injur. The goal is to STOP THE THREAT, and this is about where the discussion turns religious, so I'd rather just shake hands and call it good. We're not going to agree on whether it's right or wrong to take a life to save your own. We're not going to agree on whether non-lethal defense tools are effective or not.
30 years from now, when we have multi-shot taser guns with a range of 30 yards plus where you don't have to rewind the wires for every bad guy, things'll be different. Until you no longer have to squirt a puny stream of kitchen spices into an attacker's eyes, it'll be easier to pump him full of lead anywhere in his filthy carcass.