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Well, somebody listened. I really doubt the points I ragged on are original to anyone on TFP, so I don't see the offense in this.
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Treating someone like shit is offensive.
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What some consider them changes nothing.
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K, they ARE extreemists. Not only that, but, as pointed out by Ch'i, these independant organizations advocate non-violence (people after my won heart) to incite political change.
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On the same token, how effective would a B-52 or nuke have been? It's widely known that airpower and wmd's can't conquer anything. Same for armor. You need guys on the ground with guns for that. A revolt or insurgency is a far different game than conquering a superpower.
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Again, by 'bomber' I mean someone who plants explosives, not an aircraft that drops bombs. Sorry for the confusion.
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I'm sorry about your friend. But you misunderstood me as denying the existence of gun violence. I'm saying it is blown out of proportion. The people I knew that died as a result of car accidents, fire, home/work accidents, and illness outnumber those that were shot by SEVERAL ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.
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I recognize that I can't stop violence from fists, knives, or baseball bats. I can't stop car accedents or plane crashes. We need knives and hands and baseball (even though it's boring) and cars and planes. Guns don't really have a duplistic purpous, besides maybe hunting, and who uses assault rifles to hunt? Most of us get our meat from the store, and they get it from killing domesticated cattle and poultry and pork and lamb and fish without the use of a gun. The reason for a gun is to injure or kill another human being, and that's not a good enough reason, in my mind, for them to exist. I live about an hour and some change south of Oakland, so I know that not all gun violence is 'blown out of proportion'. I know it's easy for pro gun people to assume that gun violence statistics are padded or exaggerated, but reporting a shooting is reporting a shooting. When I watch the news report on a shooting, they aren't making it up.
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Hell, more people die from falling (or drowning?) IN THEIR HOMES than from guns. However, I don't see any angry forum posts about those. This leads me to believe that the confiscation of guns is for a higher purpose than safety, which is the common reason... I fully support the war in Iraq and Afgahnistan, but what are US troops doing there? Disarming insurgents, that's what. That's the first step.
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I'm not as mad about water violence because we need water to survive, so we can't just get rid of it. The same cannot be said of guns. Water gives life, and guns take life. As for the wars of aggression and the continuing follies of the lame duck administration under the rule of President Genocide W. Bush, that's for another thread. I'd be glad to explain why the troops are really in Iraq elsewhere.
I believe there are at least 11,000 gun deaths a year in the US. That's over 30 a day. How many Americans die each year from terrorism? If numbers are so important, why are we fighting terrorism with such vigor when in the past 6 years we've lost 3,000 people to terrorism and 66,000 to gun violence? That means that terrorists only kill 4.5% of Americans that guns kill.