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Originally Posted by pan6467
Ah but then there are discrimination lawsuits.
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There are still golf clubs that refuse to allow female members, discrimination be damned.
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Really and why does this fall "woefully short"?
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It's completely tangential to reality. You're not opening a club, these bans(at least in my city) don't apply to private clubs anyway. You're going awfully far out on a limb to prove a point that's irrelevant.
A better hypothetical experiment would be for me to ask you if you support lifting smoking bans in hospitals. They are private businesses too. The people who got to them definitely have a choice about where to go, or whether to go.
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So if I make this a hot nightclub, for smokers only and say, I'm making some big money, when the non-smoking Nazis come after me, you'll stand up for my rights to have this place? You won't say "well, you are still a place of business and except for that fee thingy, you still serve the public so smoking should be banned..... even though that was the whole purpose of you opening and running the business, it has become too big now and too many of your patrons want there to be no smoking."
You won't say that.... and you'll defend my rights?
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Actually, i wouldn't defend your rights because this isn't a matter of rights inasmuch as it doesn't concern actual rights. I'd defend your rights if they were actually trying to take them away. This issue isn't really a big deal to me either way, though i prefer the bans.
All this talk of rights and yet you fail to realize that a lack of smoking bans deprives the general populace of the "right" to go to a bar without having to deal with cigarette smoke.
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(BTW in Ohio that place would be illegal anyway, because as stated above, doesn't matter if the employees smoke, doesn't matter what the business is.... as long as I have 1 employee it is illegal to have smoking there at any time.)
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Well, you don't like it you can always move, right? Or try and organize your efforts, participate in the democratic process, vote for candidates who've taken a lot of money from big tobacco, start a petition. Certainly complaining about the loss of privileges that you may or may not even be willing to actually fight for on the internet won't really help.