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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Because there is no 'qualifier'. It simply states that a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. It does NOT say that the right of the well regulated militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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If that's the case then why didn't they explain any other amendment? "a free and vigorous press being necessary to the security of a free state" would have been a great prefix to the 1st amendment. Your logic again does not make sense.
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which is why T. Jefferson said that 'no freeman shall EVER be debarred the use of arms?
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If you want to go based on the intent of T. Jefferson, that means no white landowner will be barred from having a gun.
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I'm in no way deluded. They sat around hoping that the davidians would surrender. When they wouldn't, the FBI said enough. People ARE going to come and we'll have a bigger mess on our hands.
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Yes, you are. You claim they held off the government for 50 days. It's not hard to hold off the government if the government isn't shooting at you.
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And I suppose you wouldn't consider anything reliable unless it came from a congressional report, right?
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You seriously think that a responsible journalist considers a congressional report good primary source information? How about something from a newspaper or news magazine? Hell, find me ANY source to back up the outlandish claim you made up.
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MOST of us gun owners would LOVE to live in a peaceful and FREE republic. The problem is that WE understand the price of that freedom, where others do not.
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MOST of you gun owners don't harbor insane delusions that you can take on the military and win.
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Can the government take your property for public use?
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Yes, and they've done so many times. Why haven't you firebombed the whitehouse yet? I thought you were ready to defend our freedoms with your guns.
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None of my guns has EVER been stolen. What have I done right that others haven't?
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1) you're lucky
2) just because you know what you're doing with a gun, storing or shooting it, does not mean everyone else, or even a small majority of everyone else, will know what they are doing.
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Now, where does the 2nd Amendment say that a government regulated militia is the ONLY militia?
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Hokay, time for some reading comprehension lessons. I have never said a well regulated militia must be a government regulated militia. It can be regulated by the RA in a college dorm for all I care, as long as it's REGULATED. A bunch of fools running around with assault rifles is NOT regulated at all.
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It doesn't. Patrick Henry said 'We are the militia, all of us, save a few elected officials.
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Yes, we all know Patrick Henry wanted every man to have a gun. Of course, PH was trying to fight a revolution against an actual tyrannical government - not the one you're imagining. There IS a difference.
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And yet they wrote one of the most famous documents in the entire world. read your history again.
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This doesn't even make sense in the context of what I wrote.
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I've consistently said that there are two types of militia, one is the organized and one is the unorganized.
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And you've been consistently wrong.
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though it COULD be yours when you find yourself in courts pushing your incorrect ideology.
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Considering I don't own a gun, and you say you want to fight the tyrannical government, I am guessing that of the two of us it is not I who needs to worry about being in court.
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ANY standing army is inherently dangerous to freedom and liberty, according to the founders. Were they wrong?
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so we should rewrite or erase any OTHER right that no longer suits its purpose that was originally intended?
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If you're going to debate with me, at least try to debate with the right person. I didn't write what these lines are in reply to.