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Originally Posted by shakran
We're forgetting a basic concept of our system of government here. Less than 25% of the American public are smokers (source, CDC survey 2003). That means the majority of us are not.
What makes you guys think that 25% of the people get to decide for the other 75%? More than 3/4s of us do not smoke, and therefore presumably would prefer you not smoke in buildings we are in. In short, you're in the minority.
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""You make it seem like smokers are trying to impose on you. Anti smokers are imposing on smokers. Not the other way around. Power in numbers does not embue such power that those superior numbers make choices for private property owners that run a business on their property if their particular choice does not force harm upon the public while not disrupting their daily lives outside said property. At least not in America.""
""Incredibly weak retort. Are you saying this qoute is false? This qoute from my post hardly makes sense taken out of context.""
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And businesses who dump noxious chemicals into the river aren't trying to hurt the environment either. They're just trying to get rid of waste without paying for it. What's your point? Whether you're trying to or not, you are.
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""They are spilling their chemicals out onto goverment land that everyone uses. By law the land they are polluting is just as much yours as it is theirs. How you can look at this chemical dumping situation and at smoking on private property and make a comparision is beyond me.""
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No, they're saying "I really don't give a crap if you get cancer"
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""I assume you took the "Blow their smoke in your face" part from this qoute out because it's never happened that someone blew smoke in your face and said "I hope you get cancer". You make the smoker an indifferent figure in this arguement. What happened to the hostile smoker that followed you around giving you cancer?""
""I also assume that you think smokers imply this "I really don't give a crap if you get cancer" when you go around them and they don't immedietly put out their cigarette.""
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Yes. The vast majority of us are antismokers and WE (that's plural too, quit acting like it's only one of us) are tired of YOU harming us because you have an unfortunate habit.
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""Again I don't smoke.You is a generalization. What people want me to do on my property makes no difference. I don't care how many people stand on my lawn and say they want it their way. What I do on my property is my decision not yours. You can partake or not, up to you. By being around smokers you are harming your self they aren't harming you.""
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Hell I think we're being pretty nice about it. We're saying smoke outside, not inside. We're not trying to ban your drug (like most other addictive, harmful drugs are already). We're just telling you to take your drug away from us.
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""Smokers don't want to smoke around you. You want to be around smokers in privately owned public places. This is the argument you keep avoiding. You are forcing your self unto them in their space. Anti-smokers and Non-smokers are different. For example: you are an Anti-smoker I am a Non-Smoker please try to keep this in mind.""
Changing gears.
""Hey let's qoute some more single sentences out of the middle of a paragraph shakran, qouting people's arguements out of context is fun for debate! Watch.""
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We're saying smoke outside, not inside.
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I can smoke in my home if I please!
""See it's stupidly easy to make an airtight argument in this way. I am completly right on my point but you were never arguing my right to smoke in my home so my retort is false as much of your counter arguments are false in this same way.""
Shakran you seem firm on this subject yet you still don't have any arguments with an ounce of validity for any three of my main points. Which are:
1. Business owners should have the right to choose if smoking tobacco goes on on their property.
2. Anti-smokers and Non-Smokers have the ability to stay away from smokers indoors in non privately owned buildings.
3. Anti-smokers and Non-Smokers are not forced to enter buildings where smoking is allowed.
""Because these three arguments are true: the smoking ban is a law that is unjustified and takes away ones right to choose for him self, this includes you my freind shakran.""
""Shakran you can dance all day with chemicals in rivers and grammar corrections all while mis qouting me. All you're doing is drawing attention (maybe your own attention) away from the truth. Which is that you have no argument for the smoking ban. While I have kept firm to my points you have jumped ship on many of yours. Your points become increasingly indirect and vague.""