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Originally Posted by shakran
No, actually, it's not. That's why we have OSHA. OSHA regs do not have a clause saying "unless the employee is cool with it."
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Pardon. I'm arguing 'ought', not 'is'. It
ought to be that way.
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well most states are what's known as "at-will" employment which means the employee can quit or be terminated for any reason or no reason at all. However, there are also whistleblower laws which protect workers who call attention to the violations of their employers.
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I'm fine with whistleblower laws as far as blowing the whistle on deception or activities with external costs.
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You might wanna read up on your law there.
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'Ought', not 'is'.
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Cool! what about the public health drain from people who have gotten sick from inhaling cigarette smoke? Hell if we take your promise to its logical conclusion you'll be supporting a ban on cigarettes pretty soon. 
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You're going to have to elaborate on this one.
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Of course they are. You've heard of the "war on drugs?"
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'Ought', not 'is'. I'm against the war on drugs.
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Well the point about masturbating into the pasta was that it creates a general heatlh concern - -i.e. maybe YOU will hypothetically eat it and enjoy it, but YOU are not the only one eating it.
If you really want to eat it, and you're bringing your own (so it doesn't contaminate my regular pasta) I really don't care. That's your choice.
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If you really don't want to eat it, do as I'd do and don't seek out the business offering it.
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Again, we get to the workplace safety issue. Workers cannot choose whether or not to be exposed to that cigarette smoke.
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There is no magic number of repetitions that will turn this into a true statement.
Workers can choose. They can leave. They can seek other employment.
There. is. no. force.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
from my perspective, i think that while i find your position interesting, i just don't think its going to fly. it sounds like you're not on board with public nuissance laws, the enforcement of public safety codes and regulations, etc.
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I
am on board, with the caveat that these codes only apply to places and nuisances that are actually public. To borrow the phrasing of another poster, 'accessible to the public' doesn't cut it.
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while i can see where you're coming from, i just don't see your positions as pragmatic. in your society, is literacy required? is there an absolute, enforceable common language? are children always supervised? is the landowner / business owner responsible for people who don't understand the dangers they are walking into? can a sign be posted in a legally correct, but potentially misleading manner?
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You could increase the mandated steps to make potential patrons aware as the dangers increase. As a preexisting example, many bars and adult stores ask for ID. People could be notified at the door(s) of the dangers in the building. Parental permission could be required for kids wishing to enter an establishment with smokers. I'm not seeing an insurmountable obstacle here.
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as i understand, our society basically takes the position that the risk of having practical misunderstandings or accidental exposures to these materials / safety situation is such that if you're going to have a publicly accessible business / property, there are some safety considerations that you simply have to avoid. period. you can't put fugi sticks in your front yard at work, with a sign that says "what out for sharp shit laden sticks." i mean, someone could have avoided your booby trapped property. you put up a very clear sign. but they didnt' see it. they were preoccupied. they were on medication for the first time. they don't read. they step on sharp sticks of shit, and i'm thinking you're going to have a little legal problem.
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See above. I don't have a problem with the government requiring significantly more warning - A LOT MORE - for a yard filled with fugi sticks. Probably to the point where it's not worth it to have a yard filled with fugi sticks, though only because fugi sticks
should require a great deal of warnings/precautions.
Smoking? That's a lot more feasible as far as warnings go.