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Originally Posted by pan6467
Real mature and showing how flimsy your argument is when you have to use the highlighted portion to attack.
Your refusal to talk to me like a person with respect shows exactly the superior stutus you are taking.
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What i said wasn't meant to be an attack. Smoking bans exist in a lot of places, including, apparently, where you live. In that sense you have already lost. And my maturity has nothing to do with this, though it does make for a handy way to ignore what i was actually saying.
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"We must control what others do, because they do not know how to do for themselves."
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Yep, that's kind've the foundation of our legal system.
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Excuse me, they are rights. For too long we have mislabelled rights as "priveleges" so that they can be taken away and/or played with.
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Well, with that broad definition, every law that's now on the books deprives us a right. In which case your appeal to your rights doesn't really mean all that much. Public urination laws take a way my right to piss in the street. Murder laws take away my right to kill people without repurcussion. I guess if that's how you want to characterize a right, than it doesn't really matter to me that we've all lost the right to smoke in indoor public places. I would much rather have the right to eat out and go to a bar without having to deal with smoke than the right to smoke in a bar or a club or a restaurant.
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And where exactly did I claim I had the right to smoke anywhere????? No, I stated I am more than happy to smoke in designated areas INSIDE the venue I am in. Those areas around here are already made.... separate rooms, with separate ventilations. I have the right to enjoy my dinner the same as you, I may prefer to smoke while I eat..... that is my right.
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All i was doing with that paragraph was transposing the framework of your argument onto my argument. Obviously it seemed just as absurd to you as it does to me. And it's not your right to smoke inside any more than it is my right to piss in the middle of the street.
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Just as it is a business owners right to serve whom he wants how he wants. Of course when I say that your side had to take it to silly juvenile extremes like "masterbating in food..." which again shows your mentality of "we are superior.... we know better so fuckin shut up and conform or we'll keep villifying you and using more juvenile attacks on you."
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I never said anything about masturbating in food. My side? I didn't know that i was speaking for anyone other than myself. In fact, i'm not speaking for anyone other than myself. If you want to call me names, you should call me names for something that i actually said, not something that someone whom you falsely associate with me did.
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I think they are the start. I find most of your side's arguments very immature and as stated above, juvenile.
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Well, i think that you're perhaps a little to self important when it comes to your habits. That's fine if you find "my side's" arguments juvenile. It doesn't really matter to me, at this point, how you perceive my arguments because it's pretty clear to me that you're not really having a conversation with me. What you're actually doing is arguing with whatever i represent to you, which is apparently some vague nebulous notion of what people who favor smoking bans think.
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Ah, but then again the Constitution doesn't say anything about universal healthcare (which I have seen you for), minimum wage, guaranteeing education, etc.
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I've never asserted that any of these things are rights, so the constitution is irrelevant. The reasons those things aren't reality is that there isn't enough support for them to happen. That's one of the shitty things about living in a democracy is that you have to live with the decisions of people who disagree with you about things you think are important.
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As for censorship, nowhere does the Constitution say we have the right to have Tom Sawyer in our library, or Howard Stern on the radio or internet access..... show me in the Constitution where it truly gives us those rights.
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You're right, libraries, satellite radio and the internet aren't rights. Though we do have the right to most forms of free expression, a right which complements our library and internet priveliges.
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By the way, this is a good debate until you have to use juvenile examples to try to prove your point.... then you lose and show how weak your position is.
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It would be a better debate if you could get past your first impression of my examples and actually address them.