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roachboy · 11-07-2006, 10:40 AM

like i said, you dont want to walk into the strange loop, the one that shows you cannot process irony when it is directed at you, the one that functions to demonstrate the narcissism that is being mocked. the more you write, the tighter you pull you bring down the mockery around you.
it is like one of those finger traps.
let it go.

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seriously, i am a smoker and i have already repeated a couple times that smoking bans are not to me a big deal--fine, whatever--but i tend to accept the logic of worker health protection as the driver for them and think the generalization to a question of general "public health" to be shaky at best.

i dont find the liberal (in the js mill sense) discourse of rights to be relevant or interesting in this context. consequently, i dont find arguments based on that premise to be either interesting or relevant. all that the premise does is provide a pretext to formalize what we already know about from the debate itself--that there is a differend (the space defined by the ways in which parties on the opposite side of a debate talk by each other)---what is worse for both positions is that they end up like those mutually exclusive but formally correct arguments over scarce resources in hobbes...they make the issue undecidable. and with that, people resort to bluster. straw men. bullshit, in short. so it is a stupid avenue to take in this kind of context.

again, the argument that i find compelling in support of smoking bans is that of worker health, and that pertains to the folk who work restos or pubs.

as for the anxieties about contamination that use this questions as a pretext to be expressed--i think they're funny and more than a little pathetic.

11-07-2006, 10:40 AM	#106 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	like i said, you dont want to walk into the strange loop, the one that shows you cannot process irony when it is directed at you, the one that functions to demonstrate the narcissism that is being mocked. the more you write, the tighter you pull you bring down the mockery around you. it is like one of those finger traps. let it go. ---- seriously, i am a smoker and i have already repeated a couple times that smoking bans are not to me a big deal--fine, whatever--but i tend to accept the logic of worker health protection as the driver for them and think the generalization to a question of general "public health" to be shaky at best. i dont find the liberal (in the js mill sense) discourse of rights to be relevant or interesting in this context. consequently, i dont find arguments based on that premise to be either interesting or relevant. all that the premise does is provide a pretext to formalize what we already know about from the debate itself--that there is a differend (the space defined by the ways in which parties on the opposite side of a debate talk by each other)---what is worse for both positions is that they end up like those mutually exclusive but formally correct arguments over scarce resources in hobbes...they make the issue undecidable. and with that, people resort to bluster. straw men. bullshit, in short. so it is a stupid avenue to take in this kind of context. again, the argument that i find compelling in support of smoking bans is that of worker health, and that pertains to the folk who work restos or pubs. as for the anxieties about contamination that use this questions as a pretext to be expressed--i think they're funny and more than a little pathetic. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 11-07-2006 at 10:43 AM..