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Originally Posted by Xera
Again I want to know why the police are allowed to search people for possession of cigarettes. Why in the hell is that ok?
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It's not, and if someone had challenged it on constitutional grounds, things would have (hopefully) gone very badly for the cops.
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Why are there restrictions saying that I can not smoke in my CAR in the parking lot of a business.
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Unless it's the business's own restriction (they can make whatever rules they want about not smoking on their property) then there shouldn't be. I don't know of any non smoker who would have a problem with you smoking in your car.
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I want to reiterate here, I do not believe that my smoking gives me the right to force non smokers to breathe my cancer causing second hand smoke. I just don't believe that when there are already laws in place to protect you from that second hand smoke in public places, what I do IN MY OWN CAR is any of your damn business. I can promise you this, if it's happening in redneck acres (as I affectionately refer to my home town); it’s coming to yours soon.
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And I'll be at the head of the line fighting it if my town/state's government tries to ban smoking in your own car.
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There is no need for people to wear perfume. NONE. No one is even so much as addicted to it. They just chose to go around smelling like lemons and making me and others like me sick.
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Several workplaces have already banned perfumes/colognes because of problems like yours. If it became a general public health issue, the government might step in. However, much as your condition is unfortunate for you, most people do not have it and it is therefore not a public health issue. A similar issue would be the government shutting down all Dairy Queens because they use peanuts, and someone might be allergic. If the general population were allergic to peanuts, then there'd be an argument there.
However since cigarettes, unlike perfumes, universally harm everyone who comes in contact with their smoke, that IS a public health issue.
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So what are you going to do when we decide that we're sick of you making us sick with your smelly, stinking perfumes? There is a serious health problem associated with you getting all smelly. I don't know that you like to wear perfumes, but many many people do. How will you feel when its you we decide has to shower and remove your stinking smells before you come into public places because it makes so many people sick?
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Like I said. When the majority of the population develops perfume/cologne allergies, we'll talk. Until then, keep in mind that inhaling one irritant, cigarette smoke, often makes other allergic irritants much worse.
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You're right, smoking is not a right. There is no constitutional guarantee of the right to smoke. Nor is there a guarantee of the right to drive a car, get a library membership, or wear make-up. We just get to do these things because we live in a "free" society, where, for the most part, we get to make our own minds about whether or not to participate in legal activities.
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And when participating in those legal activities hurts everyone else, that's when that "freedom" dissolves.
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You think that no one’s rights are being denied here.
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You're not. You can still smoke.
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You think that there is a little more needless hysteria because of what is being said by those of us that are not as supportive of anti smoking laws as you are. You think you are safe from these laws because you don't smoke.
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Well. .. yeah. But if I did smoke I wouldn't WANT to be safe from those laws. Those laws are keeping me from messing up everyone else's lungs. I have no problem with that. I'd smoke in the car or in my house.
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When you give away another persons right to choose what he or she will do, you open the door for your rights to choose what legal activities you will participate in to be whittled away.
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That's an argument against ALL laws. A law by definition takes away your right to choose what you want to do. I want to speed, for instance. How far do you think I'll get with the cop who's writing me a ticket for 110 in a 55 if I try to tell him that I have the right to speed because otherwise he's taking my freedom away from me?
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This is honestly a truly asinine conversation. I can't believe people are actually trying to tell us that it's their right to fuck up other people's lungs because of their personal addiction. Un-freakin'-believable.
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Because people what what they want and damn everyone else. They want to smoke, and their enjoyment of burning leaves and tar takes precedence in their minds over the health of everyone else on the planet. That's what it comes down to - just another example of people being people. No one but me matters.