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Originally Posted by pan6467
Well, you go to the employer and you tell them you wish not to work in the smoking section.
1 of 4 things will happen:
- the employer will not be able to find enough people to work the smoking section, thus he'll have to close it down,
- he'll have to run the risk of breaking EEOC laws by hiring smokers only for those sections,
- he'll tell you to go elsewhere for work,
- or he'll give higher pay to those that work the smoking sections.
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Uh, yeahhhhh. . . you try that in a restaurant. Option 3 is all you'll get.
OUT. . .side. . .
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The nonsmokers will soon complain that the smokers are polluting the air by the door, on the sidewalk they can't walk by without having to breathe smoke.... and so on..... Oh wait they already have and now there are some places with laws that say you cannot smoke 50 feet near a doorway, or on the sidewalk or in any public open air area.
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Yeah, you have a point there. Oh wait, you drove to that restaurant didn't you. Good, go smoke in your car. No one will complain there! Look I'm sorry that you choose to fill your lungs with cancer causing smoke and tar, but that's YOUR choice. Sometimes you have to do things you choose to do in restricted areas. I can't legally have sex with my wife in the restaurant, or on the sidewalk outside the restaurant, even though sex with my wife is something I enjoy. Same thing for smoking, except that sex with my wife does not create a public health hazard for you.
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So again, where exactly are we going to go?
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Your car or your house. If you can't deal with that, may I suggest chewing tobacco?
No, I'm pointing out that market forces do not always result in the best decisions. If the market forces argument had been used during the civil rights movement we'd still have whites-only fountains. Sometimes in the interest of the public good you have to go against the market. (and really every restaurant/bar smoking ban I've EVER heard of has resulted in INCREASED business, so this is helpful to the market anyway)
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You cannot by law dictate how an owner will serve his clientele.
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Yes, you absolutely can. I'm not allowed to run a car wash that uses carbon tetrachloride in the soap because carbon tet is a carcinogen. I'm not allowed to run a barber shop where I reuse the same dirty razor all day long. Why should I be allowed to expose my customers to cigarette smoke?
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So, here in Ohio where a lot of places paid a lot of money for separate ventilation, walls between smoking areas, and so on...... they need to just turn all those areas into non-smoking... forget the fact they spent 1,000's to make sure they separated the populations.
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I appreciate that they tried to preserve the health of their customers, but unless they make the smoking section vending machine only, they cannot preserve the health of their staff no matter how elaborate they get.
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The government has the right to DICTATE.
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That's right. The government passes laws. If you don't like the laws, elect people who will pass laws you do like. But since smokers are now in the minority, I doubt that will happen. this is a REPUBLIC, not a dictatorship, which means the few do not get to order the many around.
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I FUCKING PAY TAXES TO PARTAKE IN THIS..... YOU USE MY TAXES IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER..... YET YOU WISH TO TAKE MY RIGHTS AWAY FROM ME????
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Good point. I fucking pay taxes on my car, so why the hell should I have to maintain its emissions equipment? Why should i have to obey the speed limits? I pay TAXES on it!
Paying taxes does not give you carte blanche to do what you want. Otherwise I could run a whorehouse out of my home because I pay property taxes.
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Sorry for the caps but I have yet to see a non-smoker who is demanding to make laws against smoking, acknowledge they need and use the taxes but will fight as hard to repeal taxes and will make sure the taxes get repealed.
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We don't need the damn taxes. If the government would stop subsidizing the tobacco farmers then losing the taxes would probably be fairly close to revenue neutral.