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Originally Posted by shakran
Well, no, if the police are shooting at a criminal who's threatening their or someone else's lives, there's nothing wrong with that. If the cop shoots 3 innocent bystanders while the criminal gets away I guarantee that, if not criminal charges, there WILL be civil lawsuits filed, and the cop will (hopefully) no longer have a job.
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I've followed probably close to 100+ stories of accidental deaths, or injuries, suffered by innocent bystanders from the actions of police officers in the line of duty and I've been able to count on one hand, the number of prosecutions. The civil lawsuits get dismissed under the supremacy clause. You've seen my point out quite a few of them over the last year, so you should remember some of them.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Murder is an intentional crime. If you fuck up with your gun and accidentally shoot me, it's not murder. It's still a crime, but a lesser one. In fact it's doubly criminal because people that can't use their guns properly should not have them.
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I agree, people certainly should know how to use a gun. I just don't think it should be government regulated. If a person can't dedicate themselves to being familiar, comfortable, and competent in using a gun, they should not even bother.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Again this argument can be used against any law. Speeding laws do not stop speeding, they only fine the guilty. Rape laws do not stop rape, they only punish the rapist. And frankly I WANT it to be difficult for a non-criminal to get a gun because if it's easy to get a gun, any idiot can do it. And idiots and guns do not mix well.
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Idiots and anything don't mix well, but there is no law against being an idiot in this country, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by shakran
So I trust you get into a riproaring fight with the DMV every time they want you to register your car?
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If I thought the DMV had any power over it, i'd certainly raise hell with them. As it stands now, my state reps don't like seeing envelopes with my return address on them.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Well that's not true for this anti-gun person anyway. I've studied martial arts (real fighting, not the sport karate crap) for more than 20 years and have been a black belt for 10. I'm comfortable empty handed and with weapons. I frankly prefer to rely on myself for my defense rather than the cops, because having helped train cops who came to my school for seminars, I know I'm probably better than most of them anyway. If I ever got a gun, I'd do it right- I'd train the hell out of it before i ever thought of carrying it for self defense. One of my biggest pet peeves is these idiots that run out and buy a folding knife because they find out I carry one for defense, but they don't bother to learn how to use it. It's the same issue with guns. The vast majority of people who have guns for self defense purposes are more poorly trained than the cops, and as I've already said the cops aren't exactly experts either. Why in the hell would I want to give someone an object that can kill me from 100 feet away when that person won't bother to learn how to use it properly to ensure they WON'T kill me by accident?
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Admirable, that you've dedicated that much of your time to the discipline, and I agree about the training, with any weapon. I still feel that, as a constitutional right, it should not be government regulated. When it is, it isn't a right anymore, it becomes a priviledge....one that can be taken away with ease.