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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
on one point, you are correct. I apologize to you for the insult and hostility. I'll rein it in.
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Cool. I appreciate that.
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no such law exists, otherwise we'd be seeing police prosecuted all the time.
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Well, no, if the police are shooting at a criminal who's threatening their or someone else's lives, there's nothing wrong with that. If the cop shoots 3 innocent bystanders while the criminal gets away I guarantee that, if not criminal charges, there WILL be civil lawsuits filed, and the cop will (hopefully) no longer have a job.
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Now, you have the right not to be shot, stabbed, clubbed, and beat to death, but we call that murder so basically you have the right not to be murdered.
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Murder is an intentional crime. If you fuck up with your gun and accidentally shoot me, it's not murder. It's still a crime, but a lesser one. In fact it's doubly criminal because people that can't use their guns properly should not have them.
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Does that law stop it? no, it does not. It only allows for the punishment of the guilty. Gun laws do not stop the criminal from getting a gun, but they also make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for a non-criminal to get a gun also. There is something unconstitutional about that.
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Again this argument can be used against any law. Speeding laws do not stop speeding, they only fine the guilty. Rape laws do not stop rape, they only punish the rapist. And frankly I WANT it to be difficult for a non-criminal to get a gun because if it's easy to get a gun, any idiot can do it. And idiots and guns do not mix well.
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because the gun can be used by a criminal or by someone defending themselves, therefore it shouldn't be regulated.
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So I trust you get into a riproaring fight with the DMV every time they want you to register your car?
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Question, why are you slamming me for generalizing people as stupid but haven't even bothered to correct willravel for the same thing, especially since he used the term first? lets be consistent at least, k?
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YOU are the one trying to convince me (and Will (do not say what, Will
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BTW I do agree with you on one point - that the cops are not highly trained. You're right. And they should be.
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I firmly believe that this is the deeply buried fear of those that are anti-gun, that the responsibility of defending their life is too much for them to handle, so they shuffle it off to law enforcement and in doing so, wish to force it on the rest of society so they don't feel inadequate.
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Well that's not true for this anti-gun person anyway. I've studied martial arts (real fighting, not the sport karate crap) for more than 20 years and have been a black belt for 10. I'm comfortable empty handed and with weapons. I frankly prefer to rely on myself for my defense rather than the cops, because having helped train cops who came to my school for seminars, I know I'm probably better than most of them anyway. If I ever got a gun, I'd do it right- I'd train the hell out of it before i ever thought of carrying it for self defense. One of my biggest pet peeves is these idiots that run out and buy a folding knife because they find out I carry one for defense, but they don't bother to learn how to use it. It's the same issue with guns. The vast majority of people who have guns for self defense purposes are more poorly trained than the cops, and as I've already said the cops aren't exactly experts either. Why in the hell would I want to give someone an object that can kill me from 100 feet away when that person won't bother to learn how to use it properly to ensure they WON'T kill me by accident?