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Originally Posted by billege
That is the such a bullshit troll response to an honest question.
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Hell I thought he was being nice. He could have said something more along the lines of "what gives you the right to injure me with your habits?" since your second hand smoke wafts into MY lungs and as we learned in kindergarten from the firefighters, smoke is bad for you.
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All posters like that: If you can't do better, you need to re-check what the TFP aims for.
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What? Mindless acceptance of everyone's views, even if they're obviously wrong?
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She asked a legit question about why smoking is such a targeted and socially beat-up addiction.
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Yes, and then used the asinine example of obesity. I can get as fat as I want and it still won't hurt you. You smoke ONE cigarette next to me and it hurts me, not only healthwise, but because now I have to go around for the rest of the day smelling like an ash tray.
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Snowy, I don't know why people target smoking so much. It's easy to get on two particular bandwagons in today's age. Anti-smoking is one of them. Hating fat people is the other.
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Sorry, but you've lost me there. Anti-smoking is not a bandwagon, it's members of society finally trying to take what should be theirs by right - - clean air in public places.
I don't know one single person that gives a damn if you smoke in your own house or in your car unless they know you and don't want to watch you give yourself cancer. You can smoke like a chimney in your own house if you want. Hell have 3 at a time. I really don't care.
But when you light up in a public place that I might not have a choice to be in or not (What if I'm the waiter in that restaurant? I have to be there, inhaling your smoke), then I get pissed.
I've often said that the drug laws in this country are insane. I don't care if you shoot heroin in that restaurant - it's not gonna hurt me, so go for it. I don't understand why drugs that only hurt the user are illegal while drugs that hurt everyone around the user are subsidized by the government. Doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me.
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All the “fun” categories to hate have been taken away. It’s not cool to be racially bigoted. Most American whites have actually got themselves to the point where they honestly think they harbor no racist tendencies, so it’s not even a subject we can talk about. That level of honesty usually requires admitting some pretty ugly things may live in our heart of hearts. Not happening in today’s culture. We don’t like to scratch the surface. Shit under the first layer of bullshit gets ugly fast, and we’d rather not deal with all that mess. So, no racism.
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You've lost me here. A person with darker skin than mine is not going to harm me just by being in the room with me. A smoker will. Let's compare apples to apples eh?
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But, like I say, unless you’re really rude about it no one will call you on your fat hate. You’ll be especially safe if you adopt the “it’s soooo unhealthy” tone early.
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What exactly is your point here? Obesity is unhealthy. I don't know where you live but in my town people don't go up to random fat guys on the street and start lecturing about diet. And criticizing fat people is stupid anyway. If you're fat it will not make me fat if I get too close to you. If you smell like an ashtray, I'll smell like one too if I'm anywhere near you. Big difference.
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Nonsmokers don’t get this, nor do most of them care. In their minds, smoking is just something you can stop doing whenever you want.
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Thanks for speaking for all of us. Too bad you're dead wrong. We know it's hard to quit. Frankly we don't give a damn if you quit or not. Smoke yourself into oblivion for all we care - - just don't do it around US. Stop smoking in public. If you can't make it through a half hour meal without lighting up, then go outside to do it. Keep your unhealthy habits away from my body.
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It takes no effort!! “Join now and you too can look down on someone else’s personal choice – BECAUSE IT PERIPHERALLY AFFECTS YOU!!! – instant justification.”
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That's right. We didn't succumb to peer pressure or Marlboro's marketing and decide it would be a good idea to stick burning leaves in our mouths. Your argument is crazy - it's like saying gee, we shouldn't think murder is wrong because all we have to do to be on the right side of the argument is NOT MURDER! That's so easy! We don't have to do anything!
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And yes, it peripherally affects you. You have to be in the same area as smokers to get secondhand.
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My point exactly. It'd be nice to enjoy a nice dinner/show evening without having to walk through a cloud of smoke.
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That’s right, go off on your anti-smoker “But bars STINK etc etc etc yammer” nonsense rants. I give a shit.
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And with attitudes like that abounding, you wonder why we don't like public smokers?
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Why didn’t bar owners have the economic incentive applied to them by their non-smoking clients to ban smoking in their establishments?
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Yeah, like economic incentive always works. There was an economic incentive to allow black people to eat at lunch counters - you'd have that many more people buying food. But that didn't happen until laws were passed either.
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Why didn’t bar owner say: “Hey, you know what? A majority of my clientele wish this place were non-smoking, and I’m going to cater to their business by making that change? WHY IS THAT????
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Because if only ONE does it then he'll lose business. if EVERYONE does it then they'll gain business as the non smokers who won't go to a smoky bar start coming. This isn't hard.
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There’s no f’ing way I’ll debate any one of you on that line-for-line rebuttal bullshit that’s incomprehensively still so popular. No one in real life has conversations that way. There’s no way I’ll do it here. I learned that lesson years ago.
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So you don't want a debate, you just want to yell for awhile and then run away. Got it.