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Originally Posted by scottstall
Gilda, I hate to say it, but based on that word, and correct me if I'm wrong, Christian essentially means you believe what Christ said, which is assumed to mean Jesus. From what I understand, he said "Hey, I'm dying for your sins, your forgiven, forever and ever. But it's conditional, you have to accept that I exist, and I love you." or something like that. But he did say that you will go to hell if you don't believe in him.
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I don't accept the divinity of Christ this is true. This does not mean that I am not a follower of Christ. I believe he existed, that he was the last of the great prophets sent by God to bring his word and to bring salvation, and I am a follower of his teachings.
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So to be a christian, you must believe in christ, and everything he said must be taken as truth. You can ignore everyone else all you want to, but the things he said- yup. Gotta listen to those.
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Belief in Christ and his teachings is a requirement, sure and I meet that criterion quite handily. A belief in a literal interpretation and in biblical inerrancy, not so much.
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So if he said that, and its up to you to do the homework as I don't crack open a bible too often (I think I could only find a king james version in this house anyways... hehe), and you choose to selectively believe... You are not a christian, and you are intentionally leading others to believe something that is not true. Have fun with that...
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I can't say I'm surprised. I've gotten the "Unitarians can't be Christians" thing before, but never actually been accused of lying about my religious beliefs.
See, I've been very upfront about being a Unitarian Christian the entire time I've been on this board and whenever I talk about religion, and in my first post in this thread, so I'm not being even the slightest bit deceptive, and I'd really appreciate it if you'd not make that accusation. I am a follower of the teachings of Christ. I just don't believe in the Trinity.
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Oh, and the Unitarian Universalist's are NOT a christian organization. Do not state that.
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The church isn't specifically Christian, this is true, and I didn't say that it was. Many Unitarian Universalists, however, are, and I've not met one who has a problem with homosexuals or gay marriage. Even discounting UUA, all the other churches I mentioned are Christian churches that have no problem with homosexuality.
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As for why you don't intentionally stir other peoples feathers by upholding what they believe to be proper... perhaps he believed it proper not to misrepresent himself to other people. I would.
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As do I. Did you not read
the very first sentence in my first post:
"For context, I'm a religious person myself, a Unitarian Christian."
You may notice that I identify my particular branch of Christianity very clearly there. How exactly is this deceptive?
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I dread the day I end up making a sworn statement in court, because I won't touch that bible. I don't care if the judge calls it contempt of court, because to me, it'd be contempt of court to swear on that bible, because I am indicating that that bible is going to make me tell the truth, and my actions would be in effect, a lie. It will go as high on the judicial chain as I can make it go, and I hope it reaches federal supreme, so I can finally get a straight answer on if there is seperation of church and state or not.
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Taking an oath on the Bible is no longer required. Those who won't or don't want to swear on a Bible instead "affirm" without a holy book and you're welcome to leave out the "so help me God." You can request this ahead of time or when you take the "oath/affirmation". My sister used an affirmation when she had her name legally changed.