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Old 11-01-2006, 09:27 AM   #120 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Is this from the same guy who said this (how quickly he changes his tune and redefines "the point" of the debate )??????





Ok, we'll take that you truly meant the top and the first was just an emotional response given way back when......

So the people I described from Hoover, Timken and so on... that have mortgages they cannot afford, houses that they can't sell and tax liens on their houses are supposed to find a way to get money to go to school to learn a new trade that will still pay them what? And exactly when are they going to find the time to go to classes when they have to work 2 jobs to try to keep food on the table?

Victims of circumstances????? what are they supposed to do?

What are the communities that lose that tax base supposed to do for the schools, police, safety departments?

Like I said, why don't you come here and tell these hard workers who have had their lives destroyed that they are wimps?

Tell them that losing their jobs, not being able to honor their debts thus watching their credit ratings plummet, making 1/3 of what they used to because that's all the jobs around here pay, that they are crybabies and being victims, that it's easy to get a job that will pay you enough to have some pride, stand tall, be able to pay that debt and keep your family fed....

Tell those people here that...... see how well they buy into your side.

Props on making it all the laid off workers fault and not addressing anything I said.

My father is a retired machine operator, he worke at Caterpillar for 35 years. My uncle worked at US steel before his job was eleminated. My first job out of college was with Caterpillar, I got laid off and never received an offer to return. At one time I had a union card while I had a summer job with them (I had to pay dues eventhough I knew I was going back to school and I could have used the extra money for school) I grew up in the "rust belt". I saw first hand what happens to a community when good jobs with good wages and benefits leave.

In my experience there were two ways people responded. The way you describe their plight were people sit around feeling sorry for themselves, and the way I describe opportunity and they way I have seen people respond to a bad situation.

I don't get your point.
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