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Originally Posted by florida0214
Somebody said in here that marriage is not religious issue but a civil issue.
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That would be me, but that's not exactly what I said. I said this debate is over civil marriage. This is a fact. There are two basic forms of marriage, religious/spiritual and civil. Churches and spiritual organizations are already free to conduct or not conduct and recognize marriages as they see fit.
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That may be the case when it comes to taxes and property and such things, but there are quite a few people out there who would argue that their marriage means more to them then being abel to file joint taxes.
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Of course it does, and I applaud you for treating your marriage with such respect and for honoring it as you do. My marriage is the single most important thing in my life, and will be regardless of whether the government ever recognizes it. I said as much early on in the thread. My religious marriage is very important to me, I imagine in much the same way yours is to you. This debate, however isn't about that form of marriage.
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It is a big deal and, in my case, divorce is not an option. I do not get married thinking that if it doesnt work out I can always just get out.
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Excellent. I feel the same about my marriage. We're quite a bit alike in that way.
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Homosexual marriage scares people. It scares me. Wy should something so beautiful be taken and IMO Drug through the mud and be made to seem so dirty.
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I agree that it's a beautiful thing. That's part of why I married the woman I love.
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Marriage was intended to be between a man and a women. Why else has it not become an issue until now.
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The social conditions have never been right previous to now.
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If it was ever intended to be between two homsexuals, then there would have been an amendment or a clause or something in there.
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Like an amendment guaranteeing every person equal protection under the law? That would be the 14th.
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The fact of the matter is that not every man was created equal. It simply cannot and will never be.
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That is a statement of legal and social principle, a goal to strive for, not meant to be taken as descriptive.
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It has no effect on my vows and will most likely not affect me at all. I hope they are happy and feel good about their decision.
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Exactly the point I've been trying to make.
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Maybe Peace of mind knowing that you went against the grain and fought the good fight. That makes little if any sense to me. Why fight to fight. it proves nothing except that there is always a loser and it is never fun to be a loser.
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Except that if same-sex marriage is recognized, the "losers", the anti-gay marriage crowd, don't really lose anything, while those of us who are gay and do want to have the legal protections lose a great deal with every law that treats us unequally.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
In a slightly different wrinkle, it occurs to me that this isn't actually true. What's the feeling on using genetic material from a male who is related to the non-getting-pregnant member of a lesbian couple, or a related female to carry the child for a gay male couple? I'd think it might be rather common, and then you do sort of the genetics of both parents involved.
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Yep, the child produced would have genes from the same grandparents, and thus be the carrier of the genetic line for both sides of the family.
It happens with some lesbian couples. Grace and I didn't go that route because it made my brother a little uncomfortable and I really don't care about having a genetic relationship with my children.
I think it's probably rare for gay male couples. Those I know with kids have adopted or have a child from a previous relationship.
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I sort of wish I had a lesbian sister, and then she used my sperm to impregnate her wife. I could then brag that I'd knocked up my sister's wife. That would be so Alabama Man.
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Sissy once joked that it would be cool if she'd stored some sperm while she was still pre-op, then we could have used that to get Grace pregnant, resulting in my sister being the one who knocked up my wife.