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Originally Posted by pigglet
Which argument of mine is flawed? Are you postulating that if it doesn't directly hurt me, I shouldn't be concerned about it? Ok.
Other things I am not:
Black.
Asian.
Hispanic.
Female.
Christian.
Jewish.
Muslim.
Hindu.
Buddhist.
Shinto.
Zoroastrian.
European.
Ennuit.
Race car driver.
Lesbian mulatto touch-typist.
Are you of the opinion that I shouldn't care if laws are passed denying any or all of these groups the same privaleges of straight white heterosexual men, because I happen to be a straight white heterosexual man? That sort of seems like a very plausible interpretation of what you're saying.
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I see that you've taken what I stated and miscontrued it (More straw man). Nowhere did I tell you that you shouldn't care. I dare you to find where I stated as much, or even insinuated as much. The argument that I shouldn't care because it doesn't affect me is a two way street, as it can also be applied to your view on gay marriage.
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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Anyone's lack of freedom is my lack of freedom. That's the way freedom works.
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What planet are you living on? If you can find me one country-- Either past, present or future-- Which is built upon the premise that you are advocating here, then I'll admit to being wrong about my view on gay marriage. While the concept of freedom for everyone is noble, it's not accurate. Other people's lack of freedom is, in many instances, your gain.
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You still haven't answered my question. Instead you called it silly and issued a thoughtless challenge that I've just overcome. Answer this: What actual tangible harm does it do to have a gay couple marry?
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To clarify, you didn't overcome my challenge (Not that it was a challenge to begin with, but I'm using your words). Can I produce a list of tangible harms that would come of gay marriage? Nope. And I've never claimed I could. Can you produce a list of tangible harms that would come from not legalizing gay marriage? Nope. But you have claimed you could. What we can both produce, however, is a list of intangible harms which we believe might occur if/if not gay marriage is ever universally legalized.