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Old 10-26-2006, 11:15 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Psycho Dad
You don't have to be proud of his commander in chief, but be proud of your stepson's willingness to defend that right to not show your support for Bush. Your stepson took an oath to defend his country against all enemies foreign and domestic and to obey the orders of the President of the United States. He took that oath voluntarily and today is fulfilling that promise.
.....this was asked before, by someone else....I'll ask it again.... how do you know that the fighting, dying, and killing, done by US troops in Iraq or in Afghanistan, today, is
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Originally Posted by Psycho Dad
but be proud of your stepson's willingness to defend that right to not show your support for Bush....
..... that premise seems to be the opposite of the actual result, judging by the new, unconstitutional authority that congress voted to transfer from the people and their former right to "due process", to the POTUS, just last month..... so swiftly after a SCOTUS ruling confirmed that the executive had already illegally attempted to diminish or remove the right to "due process" of some US residents, citizens, and enemy "combatants".

The reported record is that the current US executive administration is not only attacking our consitution, but making career ending "examples" of US military lawyers who attempt to defend and uphold it's clauses; and how good will the legal representation of US soldiers under military jurisdiction, be, in a certain future where all military lawyers know that their career ambitions depend on avoiding vigourous, successful defense of their clients in military courts? My very intelligent stepson fully supports the obvious undermining of his own rights to legal protections, at the hand of the CIC, who he totally supports:
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._lawyer08.html
Guantánamo defense lawyer forced out of Navy

By Carol Rosenberg
McClatchy Newspapers

NEWARK, N.J. — The Navy lawyer who took the Guantánamo case of Osama bin Laden's driver to the U.S. Supreme Court — and won — has been passed over for promotion by the Pentagon and must soon leave the military.

Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, 44, said last week he received word he had been denied a promotion to full-blown commander this summer, "about two weeks after" the Supreme Court sided against the White House and with his client, a Yemeni captive at the U.S. Navy base in southeast Cuba.

Under the military's "up-or-out" promotion system, Swift will retire in March or April, closing a 20-year career of military service.

A Pentagon appointee, Swift embraced the alleged al-Qaida's sympathizer's defense with a classic defense lawyer's zeal, casting his captive client as an innocent victim in the dungeon of King George, a startling analogy for the attorney whose commander-in-chief is President (George) Bush.

"It was a pleasure to serve," said Swift, who added that he would defend Salim Hamdan again, even if he knew he would have to leave the Navy earlier than he wanted.

"All I ever wanted was to make a difference — and in that sense, I think my career and personal satisfaction has been beyond my dreams," he said.

Swift, a Seattle University Law School graduate, also said he will continue to defend Hamdan as a civilian. The Seattle law firm of Perkins Coie, which provided pro-bono legal work in Hamdan's habeas corpus petition, has agreed to support Swift's defense of Hamdan in civilian life, he said.

Hamdan, 36, who has only a fourth-grade education, was captured along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan while fleeing the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, launched in reprisal for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. He admits working as bin Laden's $200-a-month driver on a Kandahar farm but said he never joined al-Qaida and never fought anyone.

Still at Guantánamo as an enemy combatant, Hamdan halted his war-crimes trial by challenging the format's constitutionality through civilian courts.

<b>The justices ruled in June that Bush overstepped his constitutional authority by creating ad hoc military tribunals for prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, sending the Pentagon back to the drawing board for the trials.</b>

In the end, it developed a system very similar to those struck down, setting the stage for a likely new challenge this session.

In the opinion of Washington, D.C., attorney Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice, Swift was "a no-brainer for promotion," given his devotion to the Navy, the law and his client.

<b>But, he said, Swift is part of a long line of Navy defense lawyers "of tremendous distinction" who were not made full commander and "had their careers terminated prematurely."</b>

"He brought real credit to the Navy," said Fidell. "It's too bad that it's unrequited love."

Swift's supervisor, the Pentagon's chief defense counsel for Military Commissions, said the career Navy officer had served with distinction.

"Charlie has obviously done an exceptional job, a really extraordinary job," said Marine Col. Dwight Sullivan, a former American Civil Liberties Union attorney, calling it "quite a coincidence" that the Navy promotion board passed on promoting Swift "within two weeks of the Supreme Court opinion."

<b>In June, the prestigious National Law Journal listed Swift among the nation's top 100 lawyers,</b> with such legal luminaries as former Bush administration Solicitor General Theodore Olson, 66; Stanford Law constitutional-law expert Kathleen Sullivan, 50; and former Bush campaign recount attorney Fred Bartlit, 73.

Navy Lt. Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, Pentagon spokesman on Guantánamo topics, did not respond to a query about the up-or-out system by which Navy lieutenant commanders are retired if they aren't promoted.
No US soldier fighting today, in either of those two war fronts is defending "my right" to not show [my] support for [the US president]", anymore than a US soldier fighting in the Vietnam war was accomplishing that.

Our soldiers are not defending the US consitution from an "imminent threat" and the GWOT has been an excuse, and a device, used by the executive and a compliant and/or brainwashed congress to first circumvent, and then undermine the US consitution.

It is five years after "9/11", and the fighting in Iraq and in Afghanistan is, as it was in Vietnam, is pitting US forces against a resistance of the indigenous populations of those countries.....populations who have opted out of fighting to preserve the US orchestrated and supported, central governments in those countries. US troops, in all three instances, can instead be observed, risking their own lives in order to kill folks who fight to bring down the governments that the US supports...... while the original mission.... US troops building an indigenous force to defend the US installed and maintained governments, fails miserably.

My stepson is a smart guy. He's helping to perpetuate this tragic and impossible to accomplish Vietnam "mission" redux. He's also risking his life, and I believe....his soul....by fully committing to dying or killing to support the continuation of central governments in countries where those governments cannot attract enough local men, under arms, to support them.
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http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?f...ontent_id=1174
OUR EXIT STRATEGY IN IRAQ IS VICTORY ~ SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN
For Immediate Release
Wednesday, <b>Nov 05, 2003</b>

.....Iraq is not Vietnam because our ally is not a corrupt government unwilling to defend itself, but a newly-freed people that desperately want to build a new future.......
I'ts three years later, now, John McCain.... the signifigant, local, armed resistance is decidedly projected US troops and the central goverment of Iraq that exists only because US troops obey orders to die and kill to defend it's continuance......., the same situation that permits that continuation of the 4-1/2 year old Kabul government.

I can support, somewhat, his decision to follow orders....when he enlisted, what I just described was not clear, as it is now.....but he doesn't have to fully agree with what he is under orders to do. It is wasting and grinding US military capability, and the soundness of the US treasury, and driving away support for the US government in the world.

These war fronts actually reduce the certainty that the remaining individual rights in the tattered US consitution that our leaders once took an oath to uphold, will always be successfully defended against imminent threats.

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