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Old 10-25-2006, 09:38 PM   #60 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by matthew330
Is it possible for me to say anything without some uptight lib accusing me of trolling and being uniformed?
Yes, if you show other people respect for their opinions also.

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"Your response varies from being uninformed to outright trolling."

Please explain how it's trolling, just because it's me, doesn't mean it's trolling. There's more to think about than just making it legal, these are just questions that went a different path than your "Hey, look how bad alcohol is". If your serious about making it legal, you should start thinking about the implications of it, and how much gov involvment would be required in this tax cesspool your so anxious to create.
How is it a tax cesspool, to regulate and tax a product? It is more of a tax burden now with us spending BILLIONS on trying to keep people from buying a product they want and that they can get fairly easily (though again, one must becareful with street weed, it is being mixed with harder shit.... and that is a huge reason in and of itself to to legalize it).

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"There is no such thing as 'bad shit'. Besides, if there were it would be like any other tainted consumable, the manufacturer is responsible and possibly the seller."

Apparently I've had more experience with pot than you, there is "bad shit". How's it feel to be "uninformed"? (shit, that's gonna come back to bite me in the ass)
Nobody knows how their body will react to any drug, as everybody's body chemistry is slightly different. It doesn't stop the big pharmaceuticals from selling and pushing seriously fucked up drugs like Benzodiazipines down people's throats.

That said, I am 99.99% sure you are more likely to get "bad shit" on the street, than if it were legalized, regulated and you could buy it freely without having to go to some dope dealer who mixes the weed with some truly addictive drug so that you keep buying more from him.

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"How about the person who made a concious decision to use a substance that may be hazardous and that's it?"

I couldn't agree with you more. I assume you disagree with all the tobacco lawsuits in recent years? Funny how the dangers of smoking pot is all about personal responsibility (cause they're real responsible people), and McDonalds now has quite the salad selection.
It is about personal responsibility and whether you recognize it or not or whether you care to believe it or not, you are part of the problem in legislating freedoms.

I disagree with any lawsuit over a person's free choice. I feel the people suing are trying to find easy solutions for their lack of responsibility and trying to blame others for the condition they are in.

The government loves these lawsuits because they generate BILLIONS for them (i.e. tobacco settlements with states).

Plus, you have the hypocrasy of the government telling you, you can't smoke in public but if they lost cigarette tax money I guarantee they would either raise everyone's taxes much higher or start relaxing on the laws and promoting smoking again. In other words, government whether it be State, Local, or Federal, cannot live without the tax revenue generated by cigarettes.

Legalizing and taxing marijuana will open a new tax revenue and may in fact allow some localities, states and even maybe the federal government to lower taxes because of 2 reasons..... 1 being les money needed for the money pit we call "the War on Drugs" and the housing, rehabilitation, prison stays of these "criminals" and the other being the taxes collected on the sale of the product.

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"Who really cares? Growing for sale would be regulated just like any other agricultural product."

It's been argued here there won't be a black market for it. Do you think these guys are gonna up and quit? Do you think these guys are gonna be "regulated"?
There will always be a black market. Yes, after Prohibition organized crime went into other vices, legalizing weed still leaves coke, meth, opiates, and so on, plus, they will do what the bootleggers did after Prohibition, find other vices to sell. Trust me they will find new products to sell.

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"In case you don't know, the THC level CAN be measured."

By who? You gonna leave that up to the government, they certainly have nothing better to do? Are you gonna trust those already in control of the industry?
The government can regulate THC much like they regulate the nicotine in cigarettes, the alcohol content in alcohol and so on.... this is the flimsiest of your pretty good points so far.


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"I have NEVER experienced a 'contact high' despite being in close proximity of other people smoking."

Congratulations, I have. And Stevo, we used to have fans turned backward blowing smoke out through paper towel roles filled with bounce out a crack in our window. You could smell that shit (and no, not the bounce), 2 blocks away if you were in the right place. I wouldn't want my kids playing next door to that.
Well, people wouldn't have to go through such problems now if it were legal, would they? You're kids are probably playing next door or at the very least in a neighborhood where the smoking is going on, you just don't want to admit to it.

And if you could smell it at least 2 blocks away, you were either smoking a hell of a lot or there were a lot of other people in your neighborhood smoking it and doing the same thing as you.

I can state with certainty that your kids, you and any non-toking neighbors will not get a contact buzz from someone smoking in their house and some comes out the window.

Yes, there is a distinctive smell but it is no more distinctive or harmful than cigarettes, cigars, or a tobacco pipe smoker living next door.

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And the "my body my choice thing" means nothing to me. I can't walk into a pharmacy, throw money on the table and point and say "give me that cause it's there, and i want it."
What are you talking about here? It is a person's body, it is their choice and you're throwing away BILLIONS in taxes trying to stop something that people want.

In turn you are helping organized crime, terrorist cells, throwing money away when you could tax the product and bring money in.....


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Maybe try dropping the attitude and getting off your high horse next time Kutulu.
You shouldn't be throwing rocks at glass houses. While you brought about great points you, yourself did so in a very brash, accusatory and "better than thou" attitude.

To me I can tell this is a very hot topic for you and emotional for whatever reason and that's cool. I am not berating you, in fact Matthew, I gain a certain amount of respect for you because you did bring up legitimate points.

In the end though, if you expect respect for your opinions you must show respect for others...... took me a long time to learn that.


Again I state the following:

Making something illegal because someone may use it and get hurt or hurt society, is a lame excuse.... if that is the case one could argue for making guns illegal, cars illegal, and the list could go on.

By the way, do you wish to keep marijauna illegal because you fear what it will do to society, knowing people will find it anyway, or just go to worse drugs....... thus you are stating your morals and your beliefs are far more important than someone else's.............................

or the truer question:

do you wish to keep pot illegal because you are afraid you may try it or have and like it to where it may negatively affect YOUR own life and thus you must keep it illegal?
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

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