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Originally Posted by ngdawg
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Frankly, the crux of this thread is the big bugaboo of "FEMINISM". I can't imagine that *anyone* here would argue against the concept of equal opportunity and equal rights. The problem is that Feminism is a political football that has been abused by all sides of the debate (like most political footballs).
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There is anger and resentment still lingering in the Feminism debate on all sides. I agree...at some point in time, Feminism no longer was about equality; militant thinking came in with a 'I can open my own car door' mentality and shouting 'male chauvinist pig' and men backed off....
Supple Cow: You weren't even a thought when the Feminist movement started, but you come off as extremely militant as I mentioned above. How you can possibly equate reading romance novels with 'keeping women down' is a mystery to me. Some of us actually embrace our womanhood, with all its strengths and weaknesses, and we realize quite fully we are not second class to anyone. Should we be out perfecting GTA just to prove a point? No more then men should take up sewing to do so....
Toaster: There's a reason women's salaries don't match and the reason is the same as the total hours mismatch: We are still the main caregivers of family, the ones who actually have the kids in that family and therefore are staying home to recover and, in the majority of single-parent homes, we're that single parent. Until all that evens out( and since men can't give birth, it won't), then pay will never be totally equal.
Chivalry as it pertains to the days and legends of King Arthur are indeed, gone. But there are way too many men here who seem to think that a simple act of courtesy is chivalrous and either therefore won't do it or do it with the thought that women are, in fact, deserving of it, much the same way a child needs his meat cut. Both lines of thought are off the mark. Better to do something because it's the right and respectful thing to do, regardless of gender, age or ability.
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Personally, I can play an FPS as well as any of my male friends, and I still read bodice rippers. Ustwo's right...it's mostly about it being female porn in my case.
Does the latter somehow make me less feminist? I somehow think not. Actually, most heroines in recent romances, even ones set in historical circumstances, give as good as they get.
Does it make me respect and expect common courtesy less? No.
Do I believe in chivalry? I think it's an outdated concept that most people, whose knowledge of the time from which chivalry comes is romantic at best, usually confuse with the idea and expectations of common courtesy.
A side note: as for my belief in feminism, I think it is about choice, and I am pretty militant compared to most of my friends. Yet, when the time comes, I won't regret the choice to stay home and nurture my children--because it was just that, a choice.
To clarify, I'm using feminism in the sense that Charlatan used it above.