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Old 10-23-2006, 08:16 PM   #122 (permalink)
JumpinJesus
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Originally Posted by Charlatan
Hold on there...

There is a big difference between wanting women's lib and saying that women who want to stay home are not in support of women's lib.

The key difference being choice.


Frankly, the crux of this thread is the big bugaboo of "FEMINISM". I can't imagine that *anyone* here would argue against the concept of equal opportunity and equal rights. The problem is that Feminism is a political football that has been abused by all sides of the debate (like most political footballs).

There is anger and resentment still lingering in the Feminism debate on all sides.

This thread is a product of that ongoing debate.


As I said above. We all agree that we should be considerate to others. It's only in the reasons why we should be considerate that we disagree.

While the choice argument is a strong and highly valid argument, I think that women who wish to be independent in every aspect view this choice as a setback. I'm not going to argue whether they're right or wrong, because I happen to agree that freedom of choice should be the goal of every movement. However, when that choice is seen as a return to days of repression and oppression, I can understand a person's anger at those who would make that choice after all the struggle that went into achieving equality.

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I had to go back and re-read the OP after sugahbritches' last comment. In it she does state that she does not want to be seen as an equal counterpart to men.

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And men should now look at women like themselves---same counterparts? Oh man, I hope this never happens!! LOL!
After re-reading it and digesting it a bit, I get the impression that she's lamenting the loss of girls being girls and men being men in the "traditional" sense, so in a way, this thread is evolving in a manner consistent with the OP. It did not start out as a comment on courtesy; it started as a comment on how men treat women in the context of historical chivalry.

Yes, there are differences in men and women, I don't think anyone will ever deny that, but to say that women and men should belong to different classes of citizen is what's causing the uproar. Despite all comments to the contrary, this is the impression I was left with from the OP. I think any heated comments after that are expected from those who got the same impression I got.
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