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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70
Infinite_Loser: I'd like to see you post a decent, scholarly, and secular resource which supports your view, but I can't say my hopes are high. Please prove me wrong if you intend to continue this discourse. Personally, I really don't see much point in where this discussion is heading, and the experiences of the folks at religioustolerance.org is a pretty good indicator of how useless the current discussion in this thread is. It's a shame too, because the discussion frogza started was quite a good one and far more civil.
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Ooo... So let me get this straight. Any resource I provide is biased because it's non-secular as opposed to secular? Let's just forget the fact that the majority of people writing on the subject have a non-secular base because *Gasp* the issue is non-secular itself? Also, never mind the fact that the resources I provided are, in your own words, "Decent, scholarly and well-received"; None of that really matters, eh?
Not only did you go out of your way to try to discredit my sources, but you also failed to examine where any of the information came from. Apparently you're not into content as much as I thought you were. More than one article contained a bibliography (So you could research the information yourself), yet you ignored them. Go figure...!
Anywho, for your reading pleasure, here are a few works cited for you.
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Dr. Robert A. J. Gagnon
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Dr. Robert A. J. Gagnon serves the Seminary as the associate professor of New Testament. He received his bachelor's from Dartmouth College, his M.T.S. from Harvard Divinity School, and his doctorate from Princeton Theological Seminary. His main fields of interest are sexual issues in the Bible (particularly homosexuality), exegesis of Romans and 1 Corinthians, Pauline theology, and spirituality in the New Testament. He is the author of The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics (Abingdon 2001) and co-author with Dan Via of Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views (Fortress 2003). He has published a companion essay to the latter in Christian Sexuality (ed. R. Saltzman; Kirk House 2003) entitled "Does the Bible Regard Same-Sex Intercourse as Intrinsically Sinful?" (addressing also the use of the creation texts and "orientation" theories in antiquity). He is also the author of a number of scholarly articles which have appeared in journals such as the Journal of Biblical Literature, Catholic Biblical Quarterly, Novum Testamentum, New Testament Studies, Zeitschrift fuer alttestamentliche Wissenschaft, and Horizons in Biblical Theology.
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Excerpts from a few of his articles:
The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Theology, Analogies, and Genes
Does the Bible Regard Same-Sex Intercourse as Intrinsically Sinful?
Critique of other's work:
Why the Disagreement Over the Biblical Witness on Homosexual Practice? A response to Myers and Scanzoni, What has God Joined Together?
Reviews and summaries of his works:
The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics
Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views
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Bernadette J. Brooten
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Bernadette J. Brooten, director of the Feminist Sexual Ethics Project, is Robert and Myra Kraft and Jacob Hiatt Professor of Christian Studies and Professor of Women's Studies at Brandeis University and a former MacArthur Fellow. She has also held fellowships from the Harvard Law School, the Fulbright Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities, and many other granting agencies.
Brooten is currently writing a book on early Christian women who were enslaved or who were slave-holding, and she is editing a volume on slavery's long shadow over the lives of girls and women that will focus on the intersection of slavery, religion, women, and sexuality.
She has written Women Leaders in The Ancient Synagogue: Inscriptional Evidence and Background Issues (Chico, CA: Scholars Press, 1982) and Love Between Women: Early Christian Responses to Female Homoeroticism (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1996), for which she received three awards. In addition, she has published articles on Paul and the Jewish Law, Jewish epigraphy, papyrological and literary evidence for Jewish women's power to initiate divorce in antiquity, and on various topics of ancient Jewish and early Christian women's history.
Brooten studied German at the University of Portland (B.A. 1971), Roman Catholic and Protestant theology at the University of Tabingen; Talmud and Jewish history at Hebrew University and the University of Tabingen; and New Testament, ancient post-Biblical Judaism, and early Christian literature at Harvard University (Ph.D. 1982). She previously taught at the School of Theology at Claremont, the Claremont Graduate School, the University of Tabingen, Harvard Divinity School, and the Department of Theology of the University of Oslo in Norway.
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Reviews and summaries of her works:
Paul's Views on the Nature of Women and Female Homoeroticism
Love Between Women
Here's a small excerpt from the review:
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The central argument of Love Between Women: Early Christian responses to female homoerotism, is simple: Both Christian and non-Christian writers in the Roman world were aware of sexual love between women, and nearly all rejected it. Christians and non-Christians both condemned woman-to-woman love because they believed that women are by nature passive and should subordinate themselves to men. Many of today's scholars believe that lesbian orientation and relationships were unknown to ancient writers.
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^That is especially for Gilda who continues to assert that women's sexual roles were unknown during Biblical times.
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Richard Hays
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Richard B. Hays is the George Washington Ivey Professor of New Testament at Duke Divinity School in Durham, North Carolina. Hays received his B.A from Yale College and his Masters of Divinity from Yale Divinity School, and a Ph.D from Emory University. Considered as one of the world's leading New Testament scholars, Hays' work focuses on New Testament ethics, the Pauline epistles and early Christian interpretation of the Old Testament.
In the field of New Testament studies, Hays has often been identified with figures such as N.T. Wright, Luke Timothy Johnson and Raymond Brown. Hays is well-known for his criticisms of the Jesus Seminar and the modern Historical Jesus movement. Recently, Hays has been vocal about his criticisms of Dan Brown's best-selling The Da Vinci Code for its controversial historical claims. His more conservative stance on homosexuality has drawn some attention, considering that many New Testament scholars take a more liberal stance on the issue. In Hays' The Moral Vision of the New Testament, he candidly describes his relationship with a longtime friend from Yale, Gary. Gary, as both a Christian and a homosexual, struggled with his homosexuality for many years, "experiencing it as a compulsion and an affliction" (pgs. 379-380). Hays uses Gary's story not only to show how homosexual Christians can believe that homosexuality is an affliction, but also to show how important it is to develop friendships across gay/straight boundaries.
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A small excerpt from the article entitled [I]Relations Natural and Unnatural: A Response to John Boswell's Exegesis of Romans I
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Notice you didn't reference any of these authors nor their individual works in your post. Rather you focused on the websites in which their works were. I'm interested in seeing how you'll respond.
Edit: I forgot to add something. When you have the time, be sure to read these short (If you can call them that) essays. It's hard to find them online, so you're going to have to visit your local library and pick them up.
James DeYoung:
The contributions of the Septuagint to Biblical Sanctions Against Homosexuality
A Critique of Pro-Homosexual Interpretations of the Old Testament Apocrypha and Pseudepigripha
The Meaning of Nature in Romans 1 and its Implications for Biblical Proscriptions of Homosexual Behavior
David Malick:
The Condemnation of Homosexuality in 1 Corinthians 6:9
Philip Reynolds:
Same-Sex Unions: What Boswell Didn’t Find
Michael Satlow:
They Abused Him Like a Woman: Homoeroticism, Gender Blurring, and the Rabbis in Late Antiquity
Mark Smith:
Ancient Bisexuality and the Interpretation of Romans
David Wright:
Homosexuals or Prostitutes?
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