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Originally Posted by hiredgun
In what way is a thread doing nothing but condemning an entire faith a suitable contribution to discussion of politics? What is the political content here?
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I think you can figure it out. When the body counts across the globe in the name of Islam continue to rise, its a political issue. I find it interesting that world leaders have seen this coming for some time.
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I don't know whether to be angry or dejected.
I am being completely serious when I say that I am personally, and deeply, offended by your views on this matter. Does it not bother you that you are indicting millions of Muslims who are also loyal Americans and share many of your values?
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Not really. If they share my values then they are not of the dangerous fundamentalist mind set that is taking over Islam in the Islamic world. I'm having lunch with a Muslim who shares my values today, I think we will be talking mostly about the Bears.
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Are you completely incapable of believing that which anyone who bothers to spend time with the world's Muslims knows: that the vast majority of us love peace and hate bloodshed; we love our families and mourn our lost loved ones; we spend our lives working hard to provide for our children.
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People are people before they have religion. Your religion is being used as an excuse for some horrific things, and not just isolated incidents but nation wide in cases. Most people want to live in peace, this includes bombing victims.
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The average Muslim does not sneak off to make bombs after dropping his kids off at daycare. The average Muslim does not willingly strap a bomb around his son's waist for the glory of God. The average Muslim doesn't rejoice when he hears that a bus was blown to bits in Tel Aviv. The average Muslim is not a monster.
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I argue the average Muslim has sympathy for the ones who do. Maybe not the average Muslim in the US, but the average Muslim in the Islamic world. If they didn't you wouldn't see rich Muslims giving money to the suicide bombers families in such a public manner. You wouldn't see these murderers glorified on TV.
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What is your inexplicable attraction to the idea of an inevitable clash? By what right do you claim to define Islam in contradiction to the beliefs of the vast majority of its adherents?
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Its not an attraction, its a prediction. I'm not sure it IS a majority who fit the 'Religion of Peace' role, but even if it were say only 10%, that is 179 million for the Jihad. I think its higher.
From the bottom of that website....
Islam For Today has only three photos like this...
And sadly umpteen like this...
Looks like that website has a better idea of the problem then you do. Its not people like me, its people like the last photo. Its a problem within Islam.
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The assessments of the two men whom you quote are utterly wrong. That they are men who otherwise have my respect does not change this fact.
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I have seen nothing to prove them wrong. Just you stating a majority are peaceful.
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Well, it seems I managed to assassinate the thread.
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Not at all, it was a needed view.
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I guess you're unwilling to look the object of your bigotry in the face.
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Let me distill what you said here. You said a majority of Muslims are peaceful and I was wrong and gave a list of websites. We have riots in Europe as we speak in Sweden by Muslim youths, the French police want armored cars to patrol Muslim neighborhoods, we have rich Muslims giving money to the families of suicide bombers and a death cult in Palestine, we have 10% of all BRITISH Muslims stating they would not report a terror attack if they knew of one (just think what that would be in say Damascus), we have almost every major hot spot in the world revolving around Islamic separatist or terror groups, and I'm suppose to embrace the religion of peace and think of these murderers are just aberrations of a peaceful religion?
If Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance you should be offended, but not by me or those like me, but by the millions of Muslims who are 'extremists' and causing such suffering in the world. I can only react to what I see happening, and I see genocides, I see the glorification of murder, I see intolerance, and I see an on going war that has only stopped to take a breather.
I'm glad SOME Muslims are speaking out against terrorism, I'm glad SOME think they need to be expunged from the religion, but they are downed out by the bombs of the fanatics, the calls for the destruction of Israel, the seemingly weekly riots in Europe, the genocides of Africa, the persecution of Christians in Indonesia, the bombing in Bali, the guerilla war in the Philippines, the siege of a Russian school, 'honor' killings daily, just to many specific horrors to even mention. I'd love, just once, to see a protest against an act of terrorism of the same level and furor as a protest against a Danish cartoonist, hell I'd like to see more than a handful of people, just once. Instead I'm told a majority are peaceful, and maybe they are, but they are turning a blind eye and seem only worried about what people like I think about their religion, and not worry about what millions are doing in their religions name.