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roachboy · 10-06-2006, 08:22 AM

this is hilarious, folks.
look, there are three main problems with this particular thread:

1. the source material cited in the op comes from a racist blog and contains material from a neofascist source in norway.
did you actually chase any of the links?
did you actually look at this material in context?
this material is to an actual analysis of islam--in any manner--as the protocols of the elders of zion are to judaism or some document from white aryan resistance would be to african-americans.

i would think that even the house far right people would be a little wary of biting explicitly racist material and presenting it as other than it is because it resonates with them if they want their positions about islam to not simply be laughed at.

2. it follows that you should be concerned at the tightness of the fit between your particular rationalizations of hysteria directed at your fantasy islam and those of these groups in western europe. the problem this fit raises concerns the nature of *your* politics.
it says volumes about *your* politics, even as the infotainment in the op says almost nothing coherent about islam.

3. it seems that the conventional rightwing pseduo-wisdom would have it that the term "islamofascism" has a single coherent referent beyond "entities that the bush administration deems functional for justifying its policies"--which it doesnt--and further that imputing this term to groups running about the the imagination of conservatives (as defined by their terminology) means that there can be no ideological problems with conservative positions that themselves move closer and closer to those of actually existing neofascist organizations in the world--groups that are afriad of the same things the american right is, groups that use their racist nationalism to ward off a hallucinatory fear of "being invaded" or being rendered "impure" by excess contact with islam.

beyond this, the illusion the house far rightwing set seems to share that it and it alone is aware of a Real Threat--even though that threat is entirely a function of its own hysterical nationalist discourse--and that any critique of that hysterical discourse amounts to abdication of Vigiliance in the face of a coming Race War----this is the stuff of any number of tiny far rightwing groups that spend time preparing for helter skelter by stockpiling guns, ammo and canned goods in their basements preparing for the Race War.

personally, i think this turn in conservativeland back to the huntington thesis and its racist correlates *does* react to a coming cataclysm--that cataclysm is november's elections and the problem is the possibility of their actually being consequences that attend the systematic dishonesty and incompetence of the bush administration and its rightwing lackies in congress--THAT is the problem those few supporters of the bush administration are facing--and to "deal with it" you are retreating into a rightwing extremist fantasyland, one that enables you to dress yourselves up as martyrs or prophets....which makes of the turn little more than narcissistic delerium.

one other note: i make these comments in this thread.
i did not make them in the thread ustwo started at almost the same time biting quotes from john quincy adams and churchill that is seemingly about referencing famous dead people who also knew nothing about islam as if their ignorance justified contemporary ignorance.

that thread is not problematic in the way this one is.

10-06-2006, 08:22 AM	#21 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	this is hilarious, folks. look, there are three main problems with this particular thread: 1. the source material cited in the op comes from a racist blog and contains material from a neofascist source in norway. did you actually chase any of the links? did you actually look at this material in context? this material is to an actual analysis of islam--in any manner--as the protocols of the elders of zion are to judaism or some document from white aryan resistance would be to african-americans. i would think that even the house far right people would be a little wary of biting explicitly racist material and presenting it as other than it is because it resonates with them if they want their positions about islam to not simply be laughed at. 2. it follows that you should be concerned at the tightness of the fit between your particular rationalizations of hysteria directed at your fantasy islam and those of these groups in western europe. the problem this fit raises concerns the nature of your politics. it says volumes about your politics, even as the infotainment in the op says almost nothing coherent about islam. 3. it seems that the conventional rightwing pseduo-wisdom would have it that the term "islamofascism" has a single coherent referent beyond "entities that the bush administration deems functional for justifying its policies"--which it doesnt--and further that imputing this term to groups running about the the imagination of conservatives (as defined by their terminology) means that there can be no ideological problems with conservative positions that themselves move closer and closer to those of actually existing neofascist organizations in the world--groups that are afriad of the same things the american right is, groups that use their racist nationalism to ward off a hallucinatory fear of "being invaded" or being rendered "impure" by excess contact with islam. beyond this, the illusion the house far rightwing set seems to share that it and it alone is aware of a Real Threat--even though that threat is entirely a function of its own hysterical nationalist discourse--and that any critique of that hysterical discourse amounts to abdication of Vigiliance in the face of a coming Race War----this is the stuff of any number of tiny far rightwing groups that spend time preparing for helter skelter by stockpiling guns, ammo and canned goods in their basements preparing for the Race War. personally, i think this turn in conservativeland back to the huntington thesis and its racist correlates does react to a coming cataclysm--that cataclysm is november's elections and the problem is the possibility of their actually being consequences that attend the systematic dishonesty and incompetence of the bush administration and its rightwing lackies in congress--THAT is the problem those few supporters of the bush administration are facing--and to "deal with it" you are retreating into a rightwing extremist fantasyland, one that enables you to dress yourselves up as martyrs or prophets....which makes of the turn little more than narcissistic delerium. one other note: i make these comments in this thread. i did not make them in the thread ustwo started at almost the same time biting quotes from john quincy adams and churchill that is seemingly about referencing famous dead people who also knew nothing about islam as if their ignorance justified contemporary ignorance. that thread is not problematic in the way this one is. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 10-06-2006 at 08:26 AM..