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Originally Posted by Gilda
Nope
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Yup.
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Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.
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First and foremost, I'm sure that you know that one of the definitions of sodomy is to engage in sexual activity with a member of the same sex. Look at the "anti-gay" laws in the United States. What were those called again? Oh... That's right...! Sodomy laws.
Go figure!
Anyway, I offer up the NIV version of the aforementioned passages of scripture, which is a bit more clearer and easier to understand:
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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On a personal note, I'm neither male, nor a prostitute, nor a sodomite. I'm married and have sex exclusively with my wife, so I'm neither a fornicator nor an adulterer. I'm free across the board here. Woo hoo!
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You're right! You're free across the board
IF you ignore the sodomy part.
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Nope. Homosexuality itself is not addressed, only certain homosexual acts when committed by males in certain circumstances.
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Homosexuality in the Bible isn't addressed? Care to further elaborate one what you mean?
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The bible also condemns heterosexual acts quite frequently, but I seldom see this read as a blanket condemnation of heterosexuality.
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You're right. The Bible does condemn some heterosexual acts as well. However, heterosexuality as a whole
ISN'T an abomination to God while homosexuality
IS.
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The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner
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Or it could mean that God's laws concerning homosexuality were clear cut, and needed much less explanation. I'm not sure how much someone could elaborate on the phrase "Don't do it!"
...But that's just a guess.
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Also, with the new covenant brought by Jesus, the laws of the old testament no longer apply, unless you happen to be Jewish.
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Incorrect.
According to Christian belief, Jesus came to Earth to die for all of our sins. In the Old Testament one had to offer up sacrifices to receive forgiveness (Assuming your sin didn't lead to instant death, such as being stoned for homosexuality). Jesus brought with him a new covenant; One which wasn't as harsh as its predecessor. According to Jesus, all sins could be forgiven through him. This is why Christians today no longer engage in such practices as elaborate sacrifices or public stoning.
Most (Almost all) Christians today will tell you that the moral and civil laws of the old Testament (Such as the Ten Commandments) are still applicable. To say that none of the laws of the Old Testament apply is not only hogwash, but it's a blatant attempt at miscontruing the Bible.
How about this? Why don't you find me a passage of Scripture in which God, Jesus, any of the prophets or any of the disciples condones homosexuality?
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I agree completely. High five!
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Apparently not, since you seem content to do just that.
I don't care if you're a heterosexual or a homosexual, but don't take any religious book out of context to justify that action.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
Do you take everything the bible says at face value?
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I was merely being objective. There isn't any place in the Bible where homosexuality is condoned.
But, to answer your question, I don't take everything the Bible says at face value.