ratbastid

From everything you've posted since the OP, I doubt that very, very much. You weren't interested in a better understanding of anything--you had an agenda and a point to make, and to hell with anybody's success or life, you were going to use the answers you got to make that point. In your sad little world, liberals (whatever the hell that even means) are automatically wrong, so the point of this thread was to figure out exactly what flavor of wrong they are with regard to business.

Is it even slightly conceivable that you might have "learned" from this thread that liberals are responsible business people whose business strategy operates from a strong social conscience? No, you'd never "learn" that, because that doesn't fit your existing view or the agenda you posted to push. Or if you did see that, you'd call it a weakness.

You fabricated an artificially narrow straw-man question, and then when people answered it as if it were a real-world question, you accused them of dodging the question. Then when people started answering the question your agenda required them to answer, you used that to generalize and score points on liberals across the board.

THEN when you've got somebody telling the honest truth about how he messed himself up, you use THAT to score MORE general, broad, sweeping points on your personal political boogie-men. pan's business was successful--then his addiction killed it. It's like if I've got a clock that's running perfectly, keeping perfectly good time, and I accidentally smash it with a hammer, that's not because the clock was somehow faulty or that my maintenance and stewardship of the clock was insufficient. Something external to my management of the clock killed the clock--waving the hammer around was probably a mistake, and probably broke things aside from the clock, but that doesn't make me a bad clock haver. But you turn that into "Why can't liberals admit their clocks don't work? They won't admit that they fail to have working clocks!"

I'm actually very deeply offended by how you turned the story of pan's addiction into a broad brush to tar all those who disagree with you. You should be ashamed of yourself. That was a human being telling the truth about his life--it doesn't happen often in this world and I'll be damned if I'll sit by and let you shit on it.

You have demonstrated zero interest in learning in this thread. There has been zero acceptance or compassion or even tolerance for other human beings. You have provided zero thinking or logic. This entire thread has been a waste of database space, and I'm done with it.