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Marv.....d-i-d y-o-u r-e-a-d t-h-e a-r-t-i-c-l-e i-n t-h-e s-e-c-o-n-d q-u-o-t-e b-o-x i-n t-h-e t-h-r-e-a-d OP?

Compared to the opinions of the US military leaders who served, and led...in Vietnam, your comments seem unpersuasive. If you have something to back what you claim, why not react to the points made in that informative piece:
...because, Marv....your posted points remind me more of Reagan's political rhetoric, than of any substantive debate.

....and Marv.... 4 years after the 3 year long, period of "Rolling Thunder" ended, with the '68 Tet Offensive......the US was still bombing, just the way you apparently thought they weren't...."hot n' heavy":

Marv, IMO, the things about Vietnam, that you are convinced of, are absurd, "feelings based" opinions, not supported by the actual record. How many more tons of bombs should have been dropped, and how many more Vietnamese should have been killed of wounded, to "win it"?

With the record of "all that help" from the US.....directly from at least 1964 to the end of 1972, why was the US unsuccessful in it's goal of "Vietnamizing" that civil war? Could the comments in the second quote box on this thread's OP, possibly be the reason?
The point of everything that I've posted, Marv...is that because the above "lesson" was and still is obscured....for you....by Ronald Reagan's rhetoric, and that of others, the US is grinding it's treasury, it's military forces, and the people of Iraq....to pieces,,,,relearning, the same lesson. So far....only US troops, in response to orders from civilian politcal leaders, show consistent willingness to reliably counter Iraqi insurgency and preserve the US installed and facilitated Iraqi government. Iraqis have not "stood up", so we can stand down....and they won't...to the point that our forces will ever withdraw without a collapse of the Iraqi security forces, after the US withdrawal,

That is why the Iraqi security forces won't be properly equipped or have full logistics support. The fear of US leaders is that the assets of US trained Iraqi forces will fall into the hands of the insurgents. That is already the case, in too many instances, just as ended up happening with the military assets of ARVN forces, in 1975.
The record shows that the US gave it an earnest try....Marv.....for more than a decade.....with a half million US troops, all the bombing imaginable, 58,000 American dead....and an impressive Vietnamization of the war.....and it turned out not to be enough Marv. Wishing and indoctrination via political rhetoric and individual anecdotal references of lower echelon US veterans of the Vietnam conflict, cannot turn what happened into what you think happened.

Same shit....different day:
C'mon.....Marv !
I thought it was Ronald "Wilson"....not "West".....the point is.....Reagan knew better....but he was a fucking actor..... it was all a performance, Marv. WINK