Originally Posted by fastom

I guess we just see things differently.
If we both saw a man jump off a bridge we'd probably gasp as we watched him fall. When he started slowing then stopped short of the ground then began to rise up again we'd analyse what we saw.

You'd come up with some fancy physics that say his body was in shock which caused him to lose enough weight to slow his fall and his screams made warm air pockets and the inversion lifted him back up.

Me, i'd notice the rubber cord around his ankles.

Originally Posted by willravel

Fatsom is kinda right. We've been dancing around this the whole time, but he's right. Example? The 1800F temperature is based on the maximum temperatures possible for a fire fueled by jet fuel, desks, chairs, paper, drapes, etc. It almost certianally wasn't that hot. Eyewhitness reports talk about how the fire was dying down as much as 20 minutes before the collapse.

Originally Posted by http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives.html

`it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam Sunder said."

Originally Posted by http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives.html

"The NYPD aviation unit reported critical information about the impending collapse of the buildings." They could see that the exterior steel beams of the buildings were bowing.

Originally Posted by http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives2.html

Before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. As already mentioned, flying around outside the WTC, the NYPD helicopters reported "an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed." Inside WTC 1, New York City Fire Department's Assistant Chief Joseph Callan realized the building was in trouble even before the first building, building two, collapsed. Interviewed Nov. 2, 2001, Assistant Chief Callan told New York City Fire Marshal Michael Starace, "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower. Approximately ten minutes after that, we had a collapse of the south tower, and we were sort of blown up against the wall in the lobby of the north tower, and we gathered together those of us who were still able to."

Callan's warnings about the north tower, WTC 1, reached the Office of Emergency Management, OEM. Other people learned from OEM that the WTC buildings were going to collapse. EMT Richard Zarrillo was told to deliver the message. In an Oct 25, 2001 interview Zarrillo explianed, "I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out. ... I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that's when the building came down, the first tower came down." 9110161.PDF http://nistreview.org/histories.php

At 9:37, a civilian on the 106th floor of the South Tower reported to a 911 operator that a lower floor-the "90-something floor"-was collapsing. - "The 9/11 Commission Report" p304

Originally Posted by willravel

Oh, and if you want proof that PopMech isn't reliable, check out what they are saying about 9/11 cough, a condition that effects thousands of rescue workers and brave civilians who dug through the rubble to find survivors. Yikes. Talk about disrespecting the heros of 9/11. I can't belive that Popular Mechanics can't figure out that pulverized cement in the air is toxic. 70% of 9/11 recovery workers suffer from severe lung problems.