View Single Post
Old 09-18-2006, 08:18 AM   #571 (permalink)
Willravel
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaver
Not a complete lack of evidence, it's been posted numerous time. I'm not riding his coat-tails, I've posted my evidence and you conspiracy theorists ignore them so I dont post them again.
What you did was flame, and in that post you did not support your personal attack on Fatsom. Disagreement can happen without disrespect. I know you're a very intelligent and mature person, so I was surprised when I read your post. My response was intended to point out that you didn't actually have content in your post, just flame. That's not appropriate for TFP.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaver
So you're suggesting I post evidence that fire is not hot? That we can not melt steel with fire? How about I post evidence that fire occurs and is not simply a government conspiracy. Jet fuel burns hot. Mixed with paper, carpet, and all sorts of flamable things inside the building it's going to burn hotter. With a giant hole in the side of the building plenty of air will flow in to feed the fire. With concrete floors that heat energy will be concentrated, and the only thing for it to do is give it's heat to the building itself.
Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. I belive carpet, paper, desks, etc. burn much cooler than jet fuel (please, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). Are you suggesting that the temperature at which jet fuel, carpet, paper, desks, chairs, houseplants, computers, etc. all burn is cumumlative? If so, that could explain the 1500C temperature, but it would lead me to a state of confusion that I may never come back from, as it goes against my basic understanding of the nature of fire.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaver
So for that theory to hold true you'd see the flash effects of controlled demolitions along with the dust. You don't make explosions without a flash, it simply does not happen. Unfortunately for that theory there were no flashes, showing good evidence for the dust theory.
*IF* demolitions explosives were used, then one could assume that they would be used in the interrior of the building, the rimary support of the building. This would help the building to fall into it's footprint, explain why the buyilding fell so fast, explain the way the outer supports exploded outwards, and a lack of flashes. Still, I am unconvinced. I don't know how the building collapsed, I am just prety sure I know how it didn't collapse. That's kinda the bottom line.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ustwo
I think you missed a few words in this post, but have you ever worked a bellows?

Your arms move slowly, the air moves very fast. This is because the air is channeled and under pressure. I don't know about you but I think several thosand pounds of falling concrete will create a good deal of pressure. Not to mention that as things break they will shatter at supersonic speeds due to the nature of crack propagation, which would shoot debris out VERY fast with 'explosive' force. Its why an instron machine needs a shield when testing materials in compression.

Edit:Pounds should be TONS
I do understand that. What I don't understand is how that pressure was channeled out of a few windows instead of equally across several floors.

Last edited by Willravel; 09-18-2006 at 08:33 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Willravel is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360