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Originally Posted by willravel
The problem is that we were saying the war on Iraq is wrong before we went in. That isn't hindsight, it's foresight. We can go back through TFP and find a lot of people who were against the Iraq War in 2002 and 2003.
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And we can ALSO look back and see many SUPPORTERS of the war.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I had no context. My statement is correct, and it is up to the reader to decide whether an order is illegal or not. The context lies with the reader.
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My question to you is this then, what do YOU expect a leader to do as far as deciding if an order is illegal? Please give an example.
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Originally Posted by willravel
For example, someone could read what I said and think, well, there are a lot of innocent (innocent meaning they have committed no crime) people being taken from their homes in Iraq to an American prison in Cuba and turtured and not given a trial. That would be a good context for my statement.
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I fail to see the corelation between your claim of content above, and your earlier statement that
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Originally Posted by willravel
As for the military members: any military member that obeys an illegal order is a criminal.
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what illegal orders are you refering to? If I am ordered to capture someone suspected of war-crimes or whatever, It is NOT up to ME to decide if they are innocent civilians, or criminals. It is my job to capture them, and deliver them to my superiors. It is My SUPERIORS job to decide what is done at that point, not mine. How does THAT make me a criminal??? I am doing my job, as ordered. I Guarantee that if I were to tell them that I wasn't going to go into that town and capture that person, that I would be quickly replaced by someone who would, and THEN I would be summarily courts-martialed.