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Originally Posted by Ustwo
I don't care what you think of me, I think very little of you in this. You use warped logic to prove an absurd point on a sensative issue. I saw those people jump will while you were in highschool and I'd assume your drug period. It wasn't due to any fucking explosions.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I don't care what you think of me, but you're ruining TFP for a lot of people by making simple, snide remarks, baiting, flaming, and personal attakcs instead of posting backable arguments and conclusions. I saw those people jump on the same channels everyone one else was watching on 9/11. Also, I didn't do drugs my senior year, but thanks for making my accusation true by attacking me instead of the information I post.
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Let’s try and stay civil ustwo, you too willravel. Every so often some one post a snide remark like that, the drug use was totally uncalled for, but none the less, just let it roll off of your back
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Originally Posted by Seaver
Will this is 12 pages full of information that shows how the towers were caused by planes, that how any detonations or conspiracy possibilities were not only improbable but nearly impossible. Yet you fire away to continue this discussion.
For the rest of us this is a painful disrespect to everyone involved in that day. For what? To say that the people who sacrificed their lives were part of the entity that caused it for no other reasons than to go to war.
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If wills not convinced yet, I’m not done yet. And they did not sacrifice themselves, they were killed / murdered. And although it did lead us to war, it is still not certain that we would not have gone to war even if 9/11 did not happen, I think even if there was no 9/11 we would still be in Iraq, just because of the leadership in the white house, not that I agree with it one bit, but it would be going a lot better in Iraq, we would not be spread in Afghanistan as well.
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Originally Posted by willravel
What I was communicating is we don't know what was going through their minds, so we can't say why they jumped conclusively. As evidence of this, I posted another possibility. I was trying to avoid speaking for the dead.
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I think it is pretty obvious, the fire and smoke would be unbearable in some locations, and it would get to a point where death would be more welcomed then slowly suffocating and baking to death. There is a point for everyone when they say I’d prefer death rather then torture.
One thing about anecdotal evidence, sometimes it is twisted, distorted and interpreted wrong, Mike Walter is often quoted by conspiracy theorist as saying a cruise missile hit the pentagon… he said it but it was taken way out of context,
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Originally Posted by http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/conspiracy_cranks_opedcolumnists_james_b__meigs.htm
Here's one example: Meyssan and hundreds of Web sites cite an eyewitness who said the craft that hit the Pentagon looked "like a cruise missile with wings." Here's what that witness, a Washington, D.C., broadcaster named Mike Walter, actually told CNN: "I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up. It's really low.' And I saw it. I mean, it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon."
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Originally Posted by willravel
There was a window in line with where the engine on the 757-200 that hit the Pentagon. That window was unbroken. The thing is that points acoss these 12 pages have been ignored.
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its not ignored, it is lost:
prilimanary explination: the pentagon is designed to survive a military strike
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Originally Posted by http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/11/28/60II/main319383.shtml
...because his floor was reinforced and held up for half an hour. In an astonishing stroke of luck, the terrorists had hit the only section of the Pentagon designed to resist a terrorist attack.
"We made several modifications to the building as part of that renovation that we think helped save people's lives," says Lee Evey, who runs a billion-dollar project to renovate the Pentagon. They’ve been working on it since 1993. The first section was five days from being finished when the terrorists hit it with the plane.
The renovation project built strength into the 60-year-old limestone exterior with a web of steel beams and columns.
"You have these steel tubes and, again, they go from the first floor and go all the way to the fifth floor," says Evey. "We have everything bolted together in a strong steel matrix. It supports and encases the windows and provides tremendous additional strength to the wall."
When the plane hit at 350 miles an hour, the limestone layer shattered. But inside, those shards of stone were caught by a shield of cloth that lines the entire section of the building.
It is a special cloth that helps prevent masonry from fragmenting and turning into shrapnel. The cloth is also used to make bullet-resistant vests.
All of this, especially the steel, held up the third, fourth and fifth floors. They stayed up for 35 minutes. You can see them through the smoke, suspended over the hole gouged by the jet. Only after the evacuation did the heat melt the new steel away. Evey says that without the reconstruction, the floors might have collapseimmediately...
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Originally Posted by http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-2.html
The blast-resistant windows were nearly two inches (5 centimeters) thick. Some of them remain remarkably intact and in place adjacent the point of impact. Some were popped out of their frames by the force of the exploding jet fuel, but they fell without breaking or splintering.
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hope that helps willravel
lastly, i'd like to appologise to willravel, i've been calling him willTravel all this time.
