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... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
correct, but I don’t think the beam reached 1500F, from what I’ve read it was about half as hot as that.
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Well, I guess the pecimist side is just like the comspiracy side: we don't have a single theory. That makes sense, of course, but it's something to bear in mind. Not all 9/11 truth spreaders tell the same story.
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The difficulty experienced with breathing is due to the differences in temperature of the air in your lung and the air out side, if you’ve ever worked with a kiln, you will realize that when you are around that much heat for a while, its not to much harder to breath, nothing compared to the initial trouble.
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To a point, the temperature of the air doesn't matter. It should be said that there are limits, though. Taking into account that human flesh can only survive up to a certian temperature (I'm still looking for that temperature, espically for the more fragile lung tissue and brachioles). If you've ever been in a room that's on fire, you know that the air can easily be too hot to breathe. This superfire that brought down two of the best steel reinforced buildings ever built in about a n hour should be pretty damn hot. How hot? That depends on who you ask. Some people say 1500F, some people say 500F. I think that if we are assuming the fire did bring down the building, it was damned hot - probably closer to the 1500F number than the 500F.
I think we should agree on a temperature, and then also agree on how how the air peoplke breathe can be before closing this discussion point.
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The center of the oven would be that hot, not the sides, you probably know that ovens don’t all heat evenly, if you place 2 baking pans in with cookies, you need to rotate them half way through for them to cook properly. The source of heat was the fire, and it heated everything at the center, the air is easy to heat, and does not reduce the amount of heat the fire is generating much, the steel beams how ever do absorbed much more, the air is cycling through, so it never gets really hot before it cycles out of the building, maybe 300F at most by the time its leaving, and not more than 150F at the edges of the building.
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We don't know where the fires were. While overall the center might have been more hot, we simply don't know. We don't know how much air was cycling through.
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no, temperature is different from heat, the air may be 500 degrees, but, there is little heat in hot air, because it has very little mass (and other molecular things that are to complex to get into) bottom line, the amount of energy in hot air is little, it takes a lot of it to heat an object, it will be very uncomfortable, but not impossible. also air is a poor conductor of heat, meaning that it does not transfer heat well, this is why you can move your hand over a candle, it has a high temperature, but does not transfer it well, and if you leave your hand over a candle you will burn your self, but if you move it slowly over, the amount of energy does not build fast enough in your hand to raise its temperature high enough to burn you.
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Hahaha, I know temperature is different than heat, but I'm trying to make this argument in as simple terms as I can. Fire spreads heat through solid, liquid or gas. Yes, it moves through them each with different efficency, but it does heat them all.
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it really depends on the lay out of the floor, if there was a clear path from the outside to the fire and back out, and the wind was blowing that direction, then yes, but if there was not a clear path, the fire would burn inside and not be blown out by the wind. From the videos I have seen, the wind was blowing strong, but there was no easy path over the fire, that is why the smoke was just billowing out the sides, and not rushing out. Most of the heat was staying at the center, not flowing out, only the air was moving the heat out, and air does not carry much heat at all. As is evident by the people wearing jackets on the out side, it was cold or not very warm by the time it got to them.
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Air doesn't move heat as well as metal, but it sure does move flames and smoke. The smoke it moved was initially black, but quickly turned grey, and the flames died down pretty quickly aswell. That, in addition to the workers, suggests that the temperature started very hot, and slowly cooled down. Also, there was a fire suppression system in the WTC, and it didn't completly 'malfunction' like in WTC7. I'm sure you've put a hot pan under the water faucet to see it cool off in a few seconds. |