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Originally Posted by pan6467
Ace, I am not trying to be a smartass because I like the points you have made and the way you made them. However, Saddam and Iran were enemies and had fought a few wars, I am assuming you hit the wrong letter.
Ok, show me anything anywhere that shows Saddam's regime promoted terrorism before 9/11. He did not have anything to do with 9/11, nor did he train the terrorists nor did he have WMDs.... all 3 of those were used to sell this war, not the fact "it was to preserve the free market of oil" or whatever.
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$25k to families of suicide boombers to name one.
I don't recall Bush or anyone in his administration saying Saddam was directly involved in 9/11. They did state that there was an indirect connection, which is what i believe.
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So this administration flat out lied to the people and other nations about why they wanted war. If I recall, anyone that spoke out against the administration at the time were called unpatriotic, "didn't have the facts, because those weapons did exist...." and so on.
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People were called unpatriotic for failing to support our troops. Some people want us to lose the war, they too are unpatriotic in my opinion. There is difference between dissent and encouraging our enemy, which some people did and still do.
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As for your last sentence, yes, I do believe he would have used them. So in just saying that, the proof that the administration lied about the whole reason we went to war is sickening.
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I see this totally different. Even if I thought Bush lied, given the fact that a mad man would have used nuclear weapons against innocent people would trump the lie.
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Then there are the people who say "he tried to buy yellowcake".....really and who states this? The same people we believed that said Saddam had Anthrax, Mustard gas and all kinds of nasties. Then were proven and in their own ways admitted to lieing?
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I thought that information came from intelgence agencies. I have not followed the Sadaam trial, but some important questions are: how many people did he actually have killed and how did he kill them? I know we can not prove what he intended to at this point, but I feel better now that he is no longer in power.
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And as talked about above those people lied, were given false data and were cajoled, harrassed, and had their patriotism questioned if they said anything.
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O.k., if you call someone a lier, they normally respond in a mean way.
When a person says Bush lied, and then Bush says by calling me a lier - you aid the enemy - you are scum. Then that person starts to cry - I say that person is a wimp (using a G rated term rather than the one I would really use). Basically they need to get over it and fight, defend their position, get tough, get mean, get mad-dog mean.
I am tired of Democrats crying in the media about how Cheny hurt their feelings. The main reason I love Cheny and Rumsfeld so much is because they are two mean SOB's, and I don't like Gore and Kerry because they would be like jail-house girl friends of Cheny and Rumsfeld.
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It wasn't a very "free speech" oriented congress then, just go back and read the posts, the papers and watch C-SPAN archives of how vicious that era was.
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Politics are for grown ups.
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But Saddam was a moderate. We in essence are putting extremists in power by this war based on lies.
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Interesting theory. How does putting extremists in power helpful to anyone? Why would Bush want that?
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Iran was the country that needed to be invaded not Iraq. Now it is too late, and Iran has the power to be a far greater threat now than Saddam ever could have been.
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Like I have written before. When you look at a map of the Middle East you clearly see Iran sandwiched between Iraq and Afganistan. Iran is militarily stronger than Iraq. We need control of Iraq if we are to take military action agaisnt Iran. Also having control of Afganistan helps. With military presence in strategic points we can put the squeeze on Iran.