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Originally Posted by fastom
I'm glad to humor your professor... people that are afraid to put the kettle on the stove because "thermal expansion" would knock all the other pots off.
1500 degrees is a lot if you have your hot tub cranked up that high. In the real world beyond the internet car exhaust systems go beyond that with turbocharged engines without the car collapsing , without melting or drooping the pipes the exhaust goes through and without the tailpipe expanding and stabbing into the car behind you. Expansion isn't measured with a yardstick.
The heat that would be contained in the building would be just like a barbeque , it would burn your steak but won't collapse the rack down into the coals. Most of that heat would escape out the windows. But oddly enough there wasn't enough heat to shatter most of the windows.
Tell them science is weird.
Reading back a bit (this post died for a couple weeks)...
"I personally think that in the perspective of Acham's razor(Forgive the spelling) that it is much easier to believe the terrorist plot, and burning of the buildings causing their collapse, than to believe that our government for several years has been setting the idea up, finding some way to get explosive experts to strategicly bring explosives into the building and place them in exact locations for a controlled explosion, convince american pilots to murder innocent civilians, including themselves, by flying multiple planes into different buildings, then convincing mideastern people to hijack another plane, allowing the passengers to call their love-ones on the phone DESCRIBING the terrorists, and then have the plane crash in Pennsylvania, and for the remaining 5 years keep EVERYONE involved in this plot to be quiet....hmmm.
Or are you convinced that our government got all the people that helped plot it all and shot them the day after so they couldn't confess?"
Acham sounds like a Muslim name 
Who is saying anybody got shot? You make a bunch of assumptions off what you are told is the true story. It would likely involve people outside the government like Mr Silverstein. |
At no point did I actually SAY someone got shot. I was merely entertaining the "conspiracy" idea of it. I disagree with your exact statement of "...You make a bunch of assuptions off what you are told is the true story..." Unless you were there durring the alledged planning by our government, then you have to admitt that YOU are also making assumptions. If it were in fact 100% true, then we wouldn't even be HAVING this discussion, we would be watching the court cases on TV. So technically, I am making assumptions of what someone elses BELIEF and OPINIONS are. just as you are making assumptions on your own BELIEF and OPINION.
I am all for open discussion and debate. I can tell by my own writing and syntax that Willravel is a more educated man than me, but in the same sence, the pope is more educated than me as well, and I don't follow him blindly either. As an intelligent being, I am bound by my own drive to look and read what information I can find, or be given, and make my own call on what I do or don't believe. We cannot just walk around believing everything that is said. We must ALWAYS question things, and learn from what we find.
In the short time I have been on this forum, I have developed a rather large respect for Willravel. I may not agree with his standpoints, but none-the-less, I respect his intelligence, AND the fact that he usually prefaces his statements with DOCUMENTATION. I did read your articles and though they do make for good questioning of the calls, they do not convince me that it was impossible. Improbable? maybe. I asked my service provider about the range of the average cellular phone from around 2000. The technician told me that the TDMA phones of that time had an EFFECTIVE range of about 4 miles in order to maintain an acceptable signal. this being said, the AVERAGE range between towers is about 2.5 to 3 miles. Using algebra (hey, I said you were MORE educated...not that I was stupid...lmao) that means that in orderto maintain an accepted level of phone signal, the maximum verticle height would be 3.8 miles to maintain signal. converted to feet...20,064 feet.
So it could be possible, if the plane were below that level, to maintain an acceptable connection. Now I will need to double check, but I do believe that durring the tracking of Flight 93 durring a majority of the flight, their altitude was within that area, but I may be wrong. Willravel, can you accept that IF they were at that altitude that they COULD have made a good cel phone call?