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Old 09-07-2006, 07:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
Willravel
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Originally Posted by Seaver
Do you understand that it is much easier to develop a weapon than it is to develope a reactor? Reactors require a great deal of complexity in the cooling and reaction controls. Bombs just blow up. Even if it only sort-of blows up it is still effective.

I'm sorry if I dont believe that a country that sits on a pool of oil needs nuclear power for development.
I'm sorry you don't understand high school economics and I'm sorry you think the ability to develop nuclear weapons is the same as actualy developing nuclear weapons.

1) Not understanding economics: Opportunity cost is a term used in economics to mean the cost of something in terms of an opportunity forgone (and the benefits that could be received from that opportunity), or the most valuable forgone alternative. For example, if a city decides to build a hospital on vacant land that it owns, the opportunity cost is some other thing that might have been done with the land and construction funds instead. In building the hospital, the city has forgone the opportunity to build a sporting center on that land, or a parking lot, or the ability to sell the land to reduce the city's debt, and so on.

Iran has a massive opportunity cost in the form of their oil. In order for them to profit from the oil, they need to find a way to use up as little of their product as possible. How would they do this? They want to develop nuclear power! You see nuclear power uses almost no oil, and is now relatively safe. Iran recognises the opportunity, and is now taking steps to utilize their opportunity to profit. Utilizing opportunity cost is called efficency.

2) Your inability to understand how what you say is different than reality:
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Originally Posted by Seaver
They admit they are developing them. They claim the right to develop them.
Psst, I proved you wrong. Then Ch'i proved you wrong. Iran has not claimed to be developing nuclear weapons. Iran has not claimed to be developing nuclear weapons. How did you respond? With more bizzare information.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
Reactors require a great deal of complexity in the cooling and reaction controls. Bombs just blow up.
Are you are actally suggesting that creating a nuclear bomb is simple? Can you please think about that for a second? .

Another interesting article pertaining to the actual thread topic:
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Originally Posted by Democracy Now!
On Wednesday, President Bush acknowledged for the first time that the CIA has been operating a secret network of overseas prisons. President Bush made the admission as he ordered 14 prisoners previously held by the CIA to be transferred to Guantanamo Bay where they could be tried by a military tribunal. The prisoners include alleged 9/11 mastermind Khaled Sheik Muhammad. Bush said the CIA is no longer holding any detainees but that the secret prisons may be re-opened.

He denied the U.S. ever uses torture but he admitted the CIA had used what he described as alternative procedures to force some prisoners to talk. Bush also urged Congress to authorize the use of military tribunals and to amend the War Crimes Act. The president said new laws were needed because of the Supreme Court's ruling in June in the Hamdan case.
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Originally Posted by PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH
Many specifics of this program, including where these detainees have been held and the details of their confinement, cannot be divulged. Doing so would provide our enemies with information they could use to take retribution against our allies and harm our country. I can say that questioning the detainees in this program has given us information that has saved innocent lives by helping us stop new attacks.

The court determined that a provision of the Geneva Conventions known as Common Article 3 applies to our war with al-Qaeda. This article includes provisions that prohibit outrages upon personal dignity and humiliating and degrading treatment. The problem is that these and other provisions of Common Article 3 are vague and undefined, and each could be interpreted in different ways by an American or foreign judges. And some believe our military and intelligence personnel involved in capturing and questioning terrorists could now be at risk of prosecution under the War Crimes Act, simply for doing their jobs in a thorough and professional way.
Judging by the vague, political language, we can ascert that the CIA is guilty of torture and the President is seeking a way to circumvent the Geneva Conventions. Also, bear in mind that the President uses a different definition of torture than the rest of us. According to our President, torture only occurs when someone is at the risk of immediate full organ failure or death. That's not the international definition of torture, and I seriously doubt that's the American people's definition of torture.

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