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Originally Posted by shakran
Well in that case, the next time I see you perhaps I should shoot you and take your wallet. You see, I've become accustomed to a certain lifestyle but the economy has forced me to cut back on that lifestyle. By your logic, it is therefore OK for me to steal whatever I need in order to maintain my former lifestyle.
Are you starting to see the morality issue here?
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No I don't. Stealing someone's property is different from paying a fair market price for it. Being willing to defend a free market is not stealing. I think we fight to make sure the market for oil is free, not to steal oil.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
You may have known, but why did this president's administration work so hard to sell Iraq as being part of 9/11, dangerous to us and having WMD's????? None of which were true.
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I find that Bush speaks in ways some don't understand. The current conflicts in the Middle East relate to power and control, this in turn directly relates to control of Middle Eastern Oil. Terrorism is a strategy used by some in this struggle. Iran, specifically Sadaam, encouraged terrorism to create chaos in his efforts to control the region. Although not directly related to 9/11 there is a base connection.
You are correct about WMD's. He did not have any. In hind-sight I guess if he actually had them, he would have used them - don't you agree.
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It's not up to those who want alternative fuels to "try to sell their ideas to the rest of us"..... It's up to the car companies, the oil companies and so on to RELEASE the patents they bought up, stole, extorted and so on.
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I don't understand.
I say - I am willing to go to war for the reasons stated. I support candidates who support my view. My candidates get elected and convince the American public, congress, UN, and others that it is o.k. to go to war. Then you, being against the war say - It is not up to you to sell your ideas on alternatives to war?
If we let Islamic extremist control the Middle East, our lives would be dramtically different. I think in a negative way, therefore I am willing to fight. What do you think? And what are you willing to do?
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American car companies are going to die very painfully (and so is this country's economy) when the Japanese and other foreign car makers really push out the hybrids and electric cars. It'll be interesting to see how the leadership of this country will prevent massive imports and sales of hybrids.
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Many of those Toyota's Honda's an Hyunda's are being made here in the USA. Toyota's stock trades on the NYSE. Chrysler is owned by a German company. Ford and GM have been on a downward slide for the past 40 years.
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It will also be interesting to see those people who favor a "laissez faire" business government react to the government protection of the big oil companies. How will they react to the laws that are going to be passed that will prevent or push hybrids and electric cars into legal messes?
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If people want hybrids and electric cars they will be produced. I don't have any close friends or family that own one, have ordered one, or is even thinking about getting one. Some are liberal, they tend to complain about oil consumption but still want enough horespower to pull a 15,000 boat (the one they dream about owning).
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How is this government going to react when they lose the taxes from oil?
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Tax other things. Perhaps a internet usage tax.
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How are these big business neocons going to handle it when because of their own greed and refusal to change, the Japanese and others develop and start selling massive amounts of hybrids here? The oil companies will be obsolete, the tax money will dry up, the US car companies will be on their last legs and this country will be going into a Depression like we have never seen.
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Company's will follow the market leaders. Oil companies will diversify with the profits made from oil. The depression in the '30's was pretty bad, I don't know of any respected economist saying we are headed for another depression like that in the '30's.
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Sound far fetched? How much of our nation depends on the auto industry, in one form or another? And those companies have how many hybrid ideas?
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At one point the horse and buggy industry dominated transportation. The railroads where huge. Then automobiles came along, the airplanes. I am looking forward to what is coming next. change happens all the time. Out with the old in with the new.
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Meanwhile, Toyota, Honda and soon Nissan and Mitsubishi have Hybrids that can not stay on the lot. They are moving very fast and there are waiting lists to buy them.
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Isn't that a good thing from your point of view?
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But the US auto industry wants to blame the workers pensions, retirement benefits and so on. While if they had just 10 years ago started using those patents for non-gas cars, or worked on mass producing hybrids or other form of car they'd still be industry leaders and not dying dinosaurs blaming the workers.
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Perhaps you are correct. If manageent is incompetant at those companies, those companies will die. Kind of like natural selection. Perhaps the new companies will be leaner, meaner, and more profit oriented.