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I regret that some of you boys have gotten into a phenomena in the "news bidnuss" that you might not fully grasp. That's okay....I don't mind guiding you through it, because your posts indicate that you might be in "over your head".
In fairness, I don't expect you to "get it" in just one post with just a limited number of examples, like I display for you below, in this post. I got many more, all specific to recent Washington Post editorials, vs. what staff news reporters....employed by the same paper, relate to us in other pages at the washingtonpost.com website......
Briefly, here's how it works, and here's why us liber-ull adults, navigate through it. What is written in the Washington Post editorials, is predominately conservative bull shit that would be much more at home in the news pages of say....the Washington Times. Much of what is spewed from the WaPo editorial "side", as our examples below, show, is directly contradicted in that paper's news reporting.....almost as if the editorial writer does not even read the rest of the newspaper.
Nothing in the editorial in this thread's OP, changes the findings of fact of special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, with regard to his disclosure of his findings in the investigation of the "Plame leak".
What is pleasant, however, is that you boys have now become partial to a small part of what appears in the Washington Post....a very small....and inconsequential portion. If you like, just ask one of us regular readers to guide you further, regarding what is reported in the "open loop", adult news sections of the WaPo, or if you prefer, just come by and visit the "closed loop" editorial page.....just don't mistake the editorials for reality based news reporting....because they aren't!
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200604100008
Mon, Apr 10, 2006 7:13pm EST
<h3><a name="article"></a>Ignoring its own paper and echoing GOP faithful, <em>Wash. Post</em> editorial furthered numerous CIA leak falsehoods</h3>
<blockquote><h4>Summary: <em>Media Matters for America</em> presents a side-by-side comparison of the claims put forth by an April 9 <em>Washington Post</em> editorial that repeated numerous falsehoods in defense of President Bush's reported authorization of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby to disclose the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, the corresponding falsehoods forwarded by conservatives and Republicans in the media, and the <em>Post</em>'s own reporting -- some of it appearing in the same edition of the paper as the editorial -- that debunks these falsehoods.</h4></blockquote>
<p>On April 9 -- the same day that NBC <i>Meet the Press</i> host Tim Russert <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12169680/page/4/">described</a> <i>The Washington Post</i> as "hardly an organ for Republican views" -- the <i>Post</i> published an editorial, titled "<a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/08/AR2006040800895_pf.html">A Good Leak</a>," that echoed numerous falsehoods also promoted by conservative media figures and Republican activists in defense of President Bush's reported authorization of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby to disclose to the media classified portions of the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction programs. The <i>Post</i> editorial board seemingly ignored its own paper's past reporting on the CIA leak scandal, which has thoroughly debunked the false claims made by conservative and Republican figures and echoed in the April 9 <i>Post</i> editorial.</p>
<p>The <i>Post</i> editorial commented on the April 6 revelation that <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/pdf/libbyplame.pdf">court papers</a> pertaining to special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald's investigation of Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, indicated that Bush authorized Libby to disclose specific, classified portions of the NIE to former <i>New York Times</i> reporter Judith Miller. Libby was indicted in October 2005 on five counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to the FBI regarding the federal investigation into the <a href="http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/cia_leak_investigation">leaking</a> of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity.</p>
<p>As <i>Media Matters for America</i> has <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200511160012">noted</a>, the <i>Post</i>'s editorial page repeated without challenge the Bush administration's justifications for the Iraq war in the buildup to the March 2003 invasion and was complicit in forwarding many of the administration's false and misleading claims to justify the invasion retroactively. In a March 8 <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/03/03/DI2006030301339.html">online discussion</a>, a reader asked <i>Post</i> editorial page editor Fred Hiatt when the editorial writers will "own up" to this record. Hiatt responded, "[W]e've acknowledged that we were mistaken in our assumptions about WMD." But the <i>Post</i> has yet to <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200603200007">retract</a> its numerous false statements regarding an alleged Iraq-Al Qaeda connection and the Bush administration's use of intelligence. To the contrary, as the April 9 editorial shows, Hiatt has continued to print flagrant falsehoods concerning the Bush administration's efforts to justify the war, even while he and the board have every reason to know -- from the <i>Post</i>'s own reporting -- that those assertions are false.</p>
<p>Below, <i>Media Matters for America</i> presents a side-by-side comparison of the claims put forth by the April 9 <i>Post</i> editorial, the corresponding falsehoods forwarded by conservatives and Republicans in the media, and the <i>Post'</i>s own reporting -- some of it appearing in the same edition of the paper as the editorial -- that debunks these falsehoods.</p> <table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody><tr> <td width="33%" valign="top">
<p><b>False Republican / conservative talking point</b></p> </td> <td width="33%" valign="top">
<p><b>April 9 <i>Washington Post</i> editorial</b></p> </td> <td width="34%" valign="top">
<p><b>Prior <i>Washington Post</i> reporting</b></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">
<p><b>"Surely the President has a right -- even a duty -- to set the record straight."</b> </p>
<p>-- April 8 <i>Wall Street Journal</i> <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114445000371420611.html?mod=todays_us_opinion">editorial</a>, <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6232">highlighted</a> on the Republican National Committee website</p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p><b>"Presidents are authorized to declassify sensitive material, and the public benefits when they do</b>.<b>"</b></p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>Contrary to the suggestion in the <i>Post</i> and <i>Wall Street Journal</i> editorials that the administration was performing a public service in leaking the information -- that is, that Bush was fulfilling a duty to inform the public -- <i>Post</i> staff writers Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/08/AR2006040800916_pf.html">reported</a> on April 9 that the classified information purportedly selected by Cheney and Libby to be leaked to the press, which asserted that Iraq had been "vigorously" attempting to procure uranium in Africa, had "been disproved months before." </p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">
<p> <b>"In authorizing Mr. Libby to disclose previously classified information, Mr. Bush was divulging the truth.</b> That alone distinguishes it from the common 'leak.'"</p>
<p>--April 8 <i>Journal</i> <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114445000371420611.html?mod=todays_us_opinion">editorial</a></p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>"President Bush was right to approve the declassification of parts of a National Intelligence Estimate about Iraq three years ago in order <b>to make clear</b> why he had believed that Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>"As Mr. Fitzgerald pointed out at the time of Mr. Libby's indictment last fall, none of this is particularly relevant to the question of whether the grounds for war in Iraq were sound or bogus. <b>It's unfortunate that those who seek to prove the latter would now claim that Mr. Bush did something wrong by releasing for public review some of the intelligence he used in making his most momentous decision.</b>"</p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>The <i>Post</i> editorial's claim -- that in authorizing the release of the information, President Bush sought "to make clear" why he had thought that Saddam was seeking nuclear weapons -- rests on the assumption that the information leaked by Libby accurately reflected the intelligence available to the Bush administration during the buildup to war. In fact, as reported by Gellman and Linzer, Libby "<b><b>made careful selections of language" from the NIE</b></b> to bolster the administration's case regarding Saddam's nuclear ambitions, as the weblog Firedoglake <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/does-fred-hiatt-even-read-the-washington-post/" title="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/does-fred-hiatt-even-read-the-washington-post/">noted</a>. </p>
<p>Moreover, Cheney reportedly instructed Libby to describe the uranium story as a "key judgment" of the NIE. In fact, "the alleged effort to buy uranium was not among the estimate's key judgments" because it "had been strongly disputed in the intelligence community from the start," as the <i>Post</i> reported and the weblog The Left Coaster <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007321.php" title="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/007321.php">noted</a>. Indeed, elsewhere in the NIE, the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research called the claim "<a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/nie_judgments.pdf#page=8">highly dubious</a>."</p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">
<p>"Constitutionally, the authority to declare documents 'classified' resides with the president. So, under the terms of an executive order first drafted in 1982, <b>he can declassify a document merely by declaring it unclassified</b>."</p>
<p>-- <i>New York Post</i> columnist <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200604070008">John Podhoretz</a>, April 7 <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/62024.htm">column</a></p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>"<b>Rather than follow the usual declassification procedures and then invite reporters to a briefing -- as the White House eventually did -- Vice President Cheney initially chose to be secretive</b>, ordering his chief of staff at the time, I. Lewis Libby, to leak the information to a favorite New York Times reporter. The full public disclosure followed 10 days later. <b>There was nothing illegal or even particularly unusual about that</b>."</p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>An April 7 <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/06/AR2006040600333_pf.html">article</a> by <i>Post</i> staff writer R. Jeffrey Smith reported that "legal scholars and analysts" described it as "highly unusual for senior officials at the White House to take such an action so stealthily." Smith also noted that, in Fitzgerald's filing, Libby is said to have characterized the action as unique: "Defendant [Libby] testified that this July 8th meeting was the only time he recalled in his government experience when he disclosed a document to a reporter that was effectively declassified by the President's authorization that it be disclosed."</p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">
<p>"Mentioned this for the past couple of weeks, but the real question is this: <b>Did Bush lie about yellowcake? Did the Brits lie about uranium in Niger or did [former ambassador and husband of Valerie Plame Joseph C.] Wilson [IV]? Did Wilson lie about Niger? Did Wilson commit treason? Did Wilson make up something that he's gonna sip tea and not even investigate, come back and just say what he wanted to say what the plan was?</b>"</p>
<p>-- Nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh, <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200511010016">10/31/05</a></p>
<p>"The Senate report includes a 48-page section on Wilson that demonstrates, in painstaking detail, that <b>virtually everything Joseph Wilson said publicly about his trip, from its origins to his conclusions, was false</b>."</p>
<p>--<i>Weekly Standard</i> senior writer Stephen F. Hayes, <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200510210001">10/24/05</a></p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>"The material that Mr. Bush ordered declassified established, as have several subsequent investigations, that <b>Mr. Wilson was the one guilty of twisting the truth. In fact, his report supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium.</b>"</p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>Former CIA director George Tenet asserted in a July 11, 2003, <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/press_release/2003/pr07112003.html">statement</a> that Wilson's Niger findings "did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad," as <i>Post</i> staff writers Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102401690.html">reported</a> on October 25, 2005.</p>
<p>Further, in an April 10 <i>Post</i> <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900107.html">article</a>, Pincus took issue with Libby's claim, detailed in Fitzgerald's court filing, that Wilson had "reported information about an Iraqi delegation visiting Niger in 1999 that was 'understood to be a reference to a desire to obtain uranium.' " The article rebutted this claim as follows: "In fact, Wilson said he was told that a Niger official was contacted at a meeting outside the country by a businessman who said an Iraqi economic delegation wanted to meet with him. The Niger official guessed that the Iraqis might want to talk about uranium because Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger in the mid-1980s. But when they met, no talk of uranium took place."</p>
<p>The <i>Post</i> has <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/26/AR2005072602069.html">repeatedly</a> <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/29/AR2005102901478_pf.html">reported</a> that Wilson, during his 2002 trip to Niger, "found no evidence to support allegations that Iraq was seeking uranium" from the African nation.</p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">
<p>"<b>I mean, obviously there was no conspiracy to ... punish Joe Wilson for what he had said about Bush's claims about Iraq.</b> And Wilson criticized him. It turns out his criticism was completely false and Bush was right."</p>
<p>-- <i>Weekly Standard</i> executive editor Fred Barnes, Fox News' <i>The Beltway Boys</i>, 11/19/05</p>
<p>"<b>What did we learn [from federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald] about this obsessed White House with Joe Wilson? That there was, in fact, no conspiracy to out his wife, that there was no coordinated smear campaign.</b>"</p>
<p>-- <i>National Review</i> columnist Kate O'Bierne, MSNBC's <i>Hardball</i>, 10/30/05</p>
<p>"<b>[T]his idea that somehow they were discrediting Wilson in this release is nonsense</b>. ... It's perfectly legitimate for a government to add in a fact which the guy had left out as a way to distort information. ... That's not discrediting him personally."</p>
<p>--<i>Washington Post</i> columnist Charles Krauthammer, Fox Broadcasting Co.'s <i>Fox News Sunday</i>, 4/9/06</p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>"Mr. Wilson subsequently claimed that the White House set out to punish him for his supposed whistle-blowing by deliberately blowing the cover of his wife, Valerie Plame, who he said was an undercover CIA operative. This prompted the investigation by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald. <b>After more than 2 1/2 years of investigation, Mr. Fitzgerald has reported no evidence to support Mr. Wilson's charge.</b>"</p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>Gellman and Linzer's April 9 <i>Post</i> <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/08/AR2006040800916.html">article</a> reported that Fitzgerald wrote in his recent filing that "the grand jury has collected so much testimony and so many documents that 'it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to 'punish' Wilson.' " They noted that the filing had "described a 'concerted action' by 'multiple people in the White House' -- using classified information -- to 'discredit, punish or seek revenge against' a critic of President Bush's war in Iraq."</p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">
<p><a name="20060414" title="20060414"></a>He's [Rove is] the one who told the press the truth that <b>Mr. Wilson had been recommended for the CIA consulting gig by his wife, not by Vice President Dick Cheney</b> as Mr. Wilson was asserting on the airwaves. </p>
<p>-- <i>Wall Street Journal</i> editorial, <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006955" title="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006955">7/13/05</a></p>
<p><a name="20051021" title="20051021"></a>The administration did not send Wilson over to Niger. They were not his choice. George Tenet didn't send him. <b>It was Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, who suggested him for the mission.</b></p>
<p>-- Rush Limbaugh, <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200507140001#20060410">7/11/05</a></p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p><b>"In fact Mr. Wilson was recommended for the trip by his wife."</b></p> </td> <td valign="top">
<p>The <i>Post</i>'s prior reporting on the issue of who sent Wilson to Niger presents it as a matter of ongoing dispute and far from "fact." Indeed, as Pincus and Milbank noted in their October 25 <a href="http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102401690.html">article</a>, Wilson -- in response to the administration's claim that his selection for the Niger mission was the result of nepotism -- "has maintained that Plame was merely 'a conduit,' telling CNN last year that 'her supervisors asked her to contact me.'" Pincus and Milbank further reported: "The CIA has always said ... that Plame's superiors chose Wilson for the Niger trip and she only relayed their decision."</p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
<p class="right">—J.K. & S.S.M.</p>
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Aug11.html
The Post on WMDs: An Inside Story
<b>Prewar Articles Questioning Threat Often Didn't Make Front Page</b>
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 12, 2004; Page A01
Days before the Iraq war began, veteran Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus put together a story questioning whether the Bush administration had proof that Saddam Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction.
But he ran into resistance from the paper's editors, and his piece ran only after assistant managing editor Bob Woodward, who was researching a book about the drive toward war, "helped sell the story," Pincus recalled. "Without him, it would have had a tough time getting into the paper." Even so, the article was relegated to Page A17.
"We did our job but we didn't do enough, and I blame myself mightily for not pushing harder,"
Woodward said in an interview. "We should have warned readers we had information that the basis for this was shakier" than widely believed. "Those are exactly the kind of statements that should be published on the front page."
As violence continues in postwar Iraq and U.S. forces have yet to discover any WMDs, some critics say the media, including The Washington Post, failed the country by not reporting more skeptically on President Bush's contentions during the run-up to war.
An examination of the paper's coverage, and interviews with more than a dozen of the editors and reporters involved, shows that The Post published a number of pieces challenging the White House, but rarely on the front page. Some reporters who were lobbying for greater prominence for stories that questioned the administration's evidence complained to senior editors who, in the view of those reporters, were unenthusiastic about such pieces. The result was coverage that, despite flashes of groundbreaking reporting, in hindsight looks strikingly one-sided at times."The paper was not front-paging stuff," said Pentagon correspondent Thomas Ricks.
"Administration assertions were on the front page. Things that challenged the administration were on A18 on Sunday or A24 on Monday. There was an attitude among editors: Look, we're going to war, why do we even worry about all this contrary stuff?"
In retrospect, said Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr., "we were so focused on trying to figure out what the administration was doing that we were not giving the same play to people who said it wouldn't be a good idea to go to war and were questioning the administration's rationale. Not enough of those stories were put on the front page. That was a mistake on my part."
Across the country, "the voices raising questions about the war were lonely ones," Downie said. "We didn't pay enough attention to the minority."
When national security reporter Dana Priest was addressing a group of intelligence officers recently, she said, she was peppered with questions: "Why didn't The Post do a more aggressive job? Why didn't The Post ask more questions? Why didn't The Post dig harder?"
Several news organizations have cast a withering eye on their earlier work. The New York Times said in a May editor's note about stories that claimed progress in the hunt for WMDs that editors "were perhaps too intent on rushing scoops into the paper." Separately, the Times editorial page and the New Republic magazine expressed regret for some prewar arguments.
Michael Massing, a New York Review of Books contributor and author of the forthcoming book "Now They Tell Us," on the press and Iraq, said: "In covering the run-up to the war, The Post did better than most other news organizations, featuring a number of solid articles about the Bush administration's policies. But on the key issue of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, the paper was generally napping along with everyone else. It gave readers little hint of the doubts that a number of intelligence analysts had about the administration's claims regarding Iraq's arsenal."
The front page is a newspaper's billboard, its way of making a statement about what is important, and stories trumpeted there are often picked up by other news outlets. Editors begin pitching stories at a 2 p.m. news meeting with Downie and Managing Editor Steve Coll and, along with some reporters, lobby throughout the day. But there is limited space on Page 1 -- usually six or seven stories -- and Downie said he likes to feature a broad range of subjects, including education, health, science, sports and business.
Woodward, for his part, said it was risky for journalists to write anything that might look silly if weapons were ultimately found in Iraq. Alluding to the finding of the Sept. 11 commission of a "groupthink" among intelligence officials, Woodward said of the weapons coverage: "I think I was part of the groupthink."
<h3>Given The Post's reputation for helping topple the Nixon administration, some of those involved in the prewar coverage felt compelled to say the paper's shortcomings did not reflect any reticence about taking on the Bush White House. Priest noted, however, that skeptical stories usually triggered hate mail "questioning your patriotism and suggesting that you somehow be delivered into the hands of the terrorists.".........</h3>
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I think the preceding paragraph indicates that some of you don't fully recognize just how much clout you have with regard to what the adult readers of the news reporting of the WaPo get to read.....or not. Just keep that "hate mail", a-comin' !
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