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roachboy · 09-01-2006, 07:48 AM

host: thanks for doing the legwork on zombietime. it seems that the emergence of that article as news is a good example of the structural problems of information gathering in a context dominated by highly diversified large corporations that treat news like any other commodity and which outsource the actual gathering and checking of information.

so the problem the right complains about is the feature of news as hall or mirrors that they rely on to float their own infotainment.

funny how that works.

so clearly the real problem for conservatives is that they want to see only unchecked crap friendly to their politics of the moment. everything else is "terrorist-friendly".

so when you get down to it, here as elsewhere, the category "terrorist" functions to designate everyone and everything that is not in line with conservative politics of the moment. and this functions without the requirement of anything approaching coherent argument, as ustwo continually demonstrates in this context.

stevo: the article you posted at least tries to address the problem with the op article at the level of argument (that is, it tries to make an argument about systematic questions) but doesnt really manage it--the claims in it rest on (1) the separate area of aptn that serves arab states which sets up (2) a series of data-free inferences concerning bias--the argument can be reduced to being arab=being anti-israel, as if opposition to israeli policies/actions is a question of some kind of ethnic bias.
this is the same non-argument that was floated in the pallywood video that ustwo bit a few weeks ago---it is not an argument that has any analytic power to it, but is one that deploys certain triggers and directs them--that is, it presupposes political predispositions and directs them in the usual way.
in other words, the article seems to me to be preaching to the (conservative) choir.
if you remove the choir, the article doesnt function.

09-01-2006, 07:48 AM	#42 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	host: thanks for doing the legwork on zombietime. it seems that the emergence of that article as news is a good example of the structural problems of information gathering in a context dominated by highly diversified large corporations that treat news like any other commodity and which outsource the actual gathering and checking of information. so the problem the right complains about is the feature of news as hall or mirrors that they rely on to float their own infotainment. funny how that works. so clearly the real problem for conservatives is that they want to see only unchecked crap friendly to their politics of the moment. everything else is "terrorist-friendly". so when you get down to it, here as elsewhere, the category "terrorist" functions to designate everyone and everything that is not in line with conservative politics of the moment. and this functions without the requirement of anything approaching coherent argument, as ustwo continually demonstrates in this context. stevo: the article you posted at least tries to address the problem with the op article at the level of argument (that is, it tries to make an argument about systematic questions) but doesnt really manage it--the claims in it rest on (1) the separate area of aptn that serves arab states which sets up (2) a series of data-free inferences concerning bias--the argument can be reduced to being arab=being anti-israel, as if opposition to israeli policies/actions is a question of some kind of ethnic bias. this is the same non-argument that was floated in the pallywood video that ustwo bit a few weeks ago---it is not an argument that has any analytic power to it, but is one that deploys certain triggers and directs them--that is, it presupposes political predispositions and directs them in the usual way. in other words, the article seems to me to be preaching to the (conservative) choir. if you remove the choir, the article doesnt function. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 09-01-2006 at 07:50 AM..