Willravel

Think of it this way....what's the point of discussing something like this if no one wants to simply look at the evidence? You can think for yourself all you want, but screaming half truths about conclusions isn't going to solve this. Careful breaking down of evidence is the only way that anything is really gong to get solved. It worked really well in the 9/11 thread in politics (with the people who payed attention to it).

You don't have to follow my methodology, and the thread doesn't have to have meaning, but it would be nice if it did. Instead of being a flame magnet, maybe it could have relevence. Instead of being a back and fourth between "You're all f**king crazy" posts and "Why aren't you reading my posts?" posts, we can actually discuss the subject at hand.

Look at post 364, 365 and 366. I posted very specific information that is not paranoia, in my humble opinion, in response to a challenge by Seaver. Insdtead of responding to that, the second post is fmale worthy of banning (in every part of TFP except paranoia. Apparently the rules are different here). The third post, by Seaver, the same person who issued the challenge, ignored my post completly and assumed that he knew everything about the thread. It makes broad stroke accusations hidden awkwardly behind a pseudo-occam's razor argument. He strawman's (example: planes at area 51), generalizes ("Every air traffic controller now must be convinced to lie and say the government line of what happened that day" is pure BS), and even falsifies (there is NO evidence financially linking the al Qaeda or OBL to 9/11, absolutely none. Numerous posts in this very thread prove that, but one wouldn't know that unless one read the thread before posting...) in order to try and support his post.

Those three posts really are this thread in a nutshell. And when I try to lay down some ground rules to fix the problem, I get shot down by a Supermod. The secret to TFPs success is user-maturity. We have rules that remind people that they are adults, and should treat others with respect. When that respect breaks down, so also goes TFP.


Edit: I know that looking at the bigger picture, the 9/11 conspiracy theories look crazy. But the bigger picture is hardly the only perspective. If you really want to prove me wrong, then address my facts, not the conclusions that come after the facts. I've said it many times: my conclusions are my own, and I do not take them to be fact. They are guesses based on evidence, and nothing more. Until you can do that, until you can discuss this at a basic level, it's just meaningless flaming. BTW, Occam's razor is a princeple, not a law. Not all correct explainations are simple or likely.