in case roachboy's inability to find this thread funny gets taken as meaning he finds nothing funny or amusing, this makes me giggle like a fool (try it out, its great):
http://www.balldroppings.com/
strangely enough, i think this thread has been useful.....
cyn: thanks for working through the conversation with me--it is good to watch some understanding emerge on both our parts through a kinda contentious thread.