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Cynthetiq · 08-16-2006, 01:22 PM

[QUOTE=roachboy]so let's think for a moment, shall we?
let's assume for a moment that this cretin thread is worth taking seriously.

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at this point, thinking about this thread means that we have to consider what analog and cyn imagine themselves to be doing by legitimating it--analog by turning it into some act of civil disobedience (which is really pretty funny--it is the only laugh i have had from the thread so far)--and cyn by trying to "call me out" to "walk the walk"--cliches that really have no meaning in a thread such as this one----and which are close to insulting in that they imply that there has been nothing interesting from me in politics up to now.

Insult? Where in the world to you get insult from my quote:

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Why don't we see what the professor can come up with then... put your money where your mouth is. If you think that you could do better, then by all means, please show us. If you can talk the talk, then please walk the walk.

I never stated any insult nor implied it. You inferred or assumed it. I stated that you walk the walk you talk. Period. Did you see additional letters and words that do not exist? I had actually had something that could have been interpreted as insulting so I removed it so as not to confuse anyone. But please show me where in the above 45 word quote there is any insult or personal attack written or insinuated by me. I was simply stating that if you think you can do better, than by all means show us.

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but whatever, i expect little from someone whose primary complaint in politics up to now is that he had to read too much when host posts.

I see, so a shrouded thinly veiled personal attack? Please include the rest of the reason why I don't like to read all of hosts linkapalooza. Reading each link, verifying the position, motive, background, etc of each citation post and authors. I cannot keep up with the volume that host provides. Isn't that what kind of critical thinking that you're imploring people to do? But if it takes 3-4 days to digest the topic and it's citations, I don't have time for that, I have other things to do in life as do you.

It's not much different than your own dislike for punctuation and capital letters. You dislike them so you don't particpate in them. Is it fair for me to continue to badger and hound you for it? You've stated it, I've moved on from it. It appears you can't let my own style go.

As far as host, the only thing I've continued to request of him is to venture out of the politics forum. Let the community know more about host outside of politics. IMO, he's risen to the challenge and done it.

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it is tedious to speculate about such matters, but i noticed that yesterday this thread disappeared for a while--i assume there was some discussion about how to deal with it, and that the two mod posts above indicate something like a decision has been taken and that both posts above are mod posts, not posts made by the individuals concerning their own views who happen also to be mods.

but perhaps analog and cyn would care to confirm this before we keep going?
maybe not--it is not that important to me.
none of this is that important to me.

I cannot comment on what happened to the thread yesterday. I wasn't party to nor privy to what happened with it.

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carno has a series of associations with politics that he has presented, in various forms that others would have been challenged for having done--in gd discussions, in the "what happened to tfp" thread etc. those associations are close to the complaints i have seen from analog in the past, and presumably they correspond to cyn's views as well. they have nothing really to do with how things have been happening in politics over the past months, during which the character of discussion here has changed for the better--but attitudes are funny and seem to require no real-time data. apparently there are some who think that this should be true in all arenas. that politics should be a matter of attitude or a priori opinion and that information is secondary at best--so that it is an imposition when information is posted because the expectation is generated that you shoudl read it, which is a second imposition. debates then happen around that information--a third imposition. and so it goes.

As I've stated before people are entitled to their opinions, however they are founded and discovered. They are also entitled to respond and engage, and also walk away from the discussion after exclaiming their opinion as such.

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carno's basic complaint was that political threads were being posted in other forums. i pointed out to him that this was no big deal in itself and was probably a good thing in that folk who did not generally participate inthis forum were able to address questions in other places. in response, this thread.

I agree with that, some threads exist outside of the Politics thread and a good thing for the community. It's hard to discuss how the price of gas affects you and your household without someone popping bipartisan politics blaming some special interest group or vilifying someone who wants to open ANWR to ease the costs.

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let's consider the logic, such as it is, that can be derived from the content of carno's snippy post--which would have been censured had it originated from other members---for example, if i had done something like this, i doubt seriously that either cyn or analog would have defended it.
but i assume that there is a 3-d friendship between him and analog and cyn such that what he does here is not required to conform to the same rules as are binding on everyone else, and now both cyn and analog have made carno's special status official.
so there are two sets of rules now.
this is a new development.

Again you make an assumption. I have never met Carno. He's been in NYC and I've not had the opportunity to meet him. I do not give privilege to those I know in 3D IRL, that would be totally absurd. The only thing I can say to that is that if I do know someone who I know IRL and they posted something questionable, I have called them on the phone and asked them to change it before another mod or someone else picks up on it. I will not put myself in the middle, I never have and never will.

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the logic of carno's snippy semi-literate op is not only that carno does not like politics, but further that he sees in politics something of a debased form of consumer activity. like which snack food to eat. what is there to say about this notion that politics is a variant of consumerism?
that you can buy shit=that you are free?
that you can "think" about commodities=that you can think about politics?

please explain what is now going on in this thread.
is this a mod "message" that folk who do not think that politics is a consumer question are not welcome here?
or is the "message" that the level of discourse should be ratcheted down?
or is the "message" that what i mentioned in the "what happened" thread--that the implication of much of what was being said about politics is that there is space for everyone except people like me here, now being made into an official position?

i await your response.

My posts have been that there is space for EVERYONE. Those with voluminous links and citations and those with gut unfounded opinion. To your point of stating that there is no longer space for you here seems to me like you're playing the martyr card. If you or host think there is no place to exist, then that's your issue not mine.

Interesting to see that when a majority of the people seem to take an interst in folding into the politics forum, instead of trying to ease them in you'd rather ostracize and criticize them which seems rather cliquish and elitest to me.