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Originally Posted by pan6467
BTW Carno, great thread and idea. 
Ah yes, graham crackers. I prefer the Honey Maid original flavor. They take me back to when I was a kid and my grandma and I used to make butter icing and put on them. And try as I may now, I just cannot find that same recipe and taste.... perhaps it was just the fact it was making something with my granny.
While I can see that many would say the original are just boring or pieces of cardboard with no true flavor, I just have to shake my head because to me the only graham crackers worth eating were the ones my granny and I made.
Of course after reading the articles on Rev. Graham and how he viewed mustard and ketchup as insanity inducing maybe that is what is wrong with me.... I eat wayyyyyyy too much ketchup, thus I must be insane. |
Yes, Honey Maid is indeed a fine brand. As for ketchup and mustard, everything in moderation! Reverend Graham may have invented the taste sensation known as graham crackers, but he ain't powerful enough to fight ketchup and mustard!
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Originally Posted by sapiens
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...3&postcount=43
Have you declared war on Tilted Politics?
I understand your frustration about political threads emerging in general discussion. My personal concern is that the negative attitudes and the ad hominem attacks often present in Tilted Politics might emerge there as well. However, general discussion is a general forum. So, it's not surprising that political topics will emerge there occasionally. Politics is a a specific forum. I do think that despite the negativity there are often valuable, interesting posts in Tilted Politics. I don't think that graham cracker discussions are appropriate in Tilted Politics. (I'm guessing that you don't either and you're just trying to make a point).
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War? No.
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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl
Eating graham crackers does not seem to help treat my fever of lust. I think it's terrifically funny that we have taken what was originally a health food and made it into a junk food. Dr. Graham would be horrified by S'mores.
That said, I like the cinnamon ones plain, but the originals when I'm making S'mores.
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Nor does it treat my ungodly lust either. Reverend Graham was most certainly a failure in that department.
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Originally Posted by stevo
I don't eat many graham crackers. sounds like terist food to me. maybe the hezbos eat em.
I do like smores though. and golden grahams. mmmm.
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Terrorist food? Hell no!
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Originally Posted by roachboy
this is the best you could do, carno?
what a disappointment.
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"what a disappointment."
Luckily I have heard that sentence enough in my life that I am oblivious to it.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
To Sapiens and RB.....
Why fucking post in here then?
I find what (I believe) Carno to be showing quite an interesting show.
All politics is is OPINION and how someone believes THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM.... it's based on experience and the facts as they percieve them.
And what Carno is asking is what is your opinion and why? Plain and simple.
Although maybe this does belong in the Paranoia thread..... I mean afterall Rev. Graham, creator of the Graham Cracker, was a Reverand... and perhaps graham crackers are a religious right plot. Therefore this can become a Right vs. Left issue.....
Hell yeah, we'll have a right/left argument over the graham cracker.
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Well, it seems they just don't want to reveal their taste preferences; despite our disappointment, we can't force them.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
actually, pan, all i see in it is some hamfisted undergraduate-level sarcasm--behind which i assume lay some disdain for the subject of politics in general and for the politics forum here in particular.
there is nothing interesting about it...and it is not smart enough to be provocative. it just is what it is.
i also was in on the chain of equally tedious interactions that resulted in this.
that is why i post here, pan.
and that is why i find it disappointing.
if you are going to say "fuck you" you have a choice: you can do it with some style or not. carno chose option b.
at least have some style, for gods sake.
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Yes I do have a certain disdain for the climate in Politics. I am only trying to add some humor into a deathly serious forum.
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Originally Posted by Toaster126
As a moderate, I enjoy both the cinnamon and the honey flavored ones and advocate an plan to eat both. I really wish more people stopped listening to the talking heads and tried both kinds.
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I can't disagree with you here; I'll have to try all the flavors.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Now that's just silly talk right there. Obviously YOU have to like one better than the other but you are scared and too weak to admit which one you like best.
Therefore, you must not have a truly valid opinion, you don't know what you are talking about.
In the words of Fez on that 70's show "I say goodday"
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Yeah, maybe he secretly likes the chocolate ones but is scared to admit it. It's okay roachboy, no one will judge you here.
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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
Y'know...I was going to close this thread early on because I saw it for what I felt was trolling. Carno knows what I'm talking about. 
But then I thought better of it. I saw the humor in it, and left it alone.
Guys! Look at yourselves. Are we taking ourselves so seriously, that we can't take two seconds out to laugh at ourselves? For crying out loud... lighten up.
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I posted this thread with many intentions and many expectations. So far all of them have come true. I wasn't really trying to troll here though.
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Originally Posted by stevo
Can someone tell me which ones are the right ones to like? I haven't received my talking points memo yet and without it I'm soooooooo lost.
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Sorry dude, in this rough and tumble world, you gotta think for yourself.
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Originally Posted by xepherys
QFT
I only like graham crackers if they are shaped like teddy bears. That way I can behead them swiftly and devour their crumbling corpses. Mmmmm, graham bear corpses.
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Oh damn, I forgot about teddy grahams! They fucking rock.
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Originally Posted by ktspktsp
Carno, why is this so important to you?
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Graham crackers are a staple of my diet and I felt they weren't getting the attention they deserve. Despite Reverend Graham's motives, I do think he created a quality snack.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
I suggest shooting a quick e-mail to Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly and company, meanwhile, I'll shoot one over to my people and by mid-morning we'll have our stances.
Hold on..... this just in my mailbox.....
"While we here at Leftist Central believe that graham crackers serve a purpose to the people, we have to question the exact nature of said item. It isn't truly a cracker... nor is it a cookie. Based on being created by a Reverand, we have decided that the religious right must most definately be using them to brainwash people. Thus, untill we can investigate further, we will suggest refraining from the digestion of these items..... Sincerely, your friends in Leftist Central."
And this:
OOPs wait there's a commercial pop-up... how timely, a Nabisco Honey Maid Graham Cracker commercial.
"Friends, as you know I, the loveable El Rushbo, like my graham crackers with milk..... they are coming under fire now, by those atheistic, leftist radicals, who would have you believe that these crackers, and yes, they are crackers, are items from the religious right out to corrupt your kids into believing in God. I think we should all buy up as many boxes as we can and show these radicals a thing or 2...... btw I'm pleased to introduce my newest sponsor.... Nabisco's Honey Maid Graham Crackers...... Sincerely and Mega Dittoes.... and don't forget to resubscribe to 24/7 Rush..... this month's special only $24.95 but you get a box of tasty Nabisco Honey Maid Graham Crackers with a paid subscription."
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Hah...
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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl
I TOTALLY forgot about Teddy Grahams!!! I love all kinds of Teddy Grahams. They're actually a fairly healthful snack compared to some things. I used to substitute them for cookies...I should probably resume that habit.
Mmm, chocolate Teddy Grahams. I'm going camping this weekend--that's a good excuse to pick some up.
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Yeah, it's a good habit to have.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Teddy Grahams, wasn't he a GOP Senator from Texas.... sat next to LBJ and was in on the JFK Conspiracy with the LBJ, the Mafia and Bush family?
Even if he wasn't Teddy Grahams sound to right winged for me to enjoy.
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Interesting question, pan. We'll have to dig deeper into this...
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Originally Posted by Elphaba
Heh... this topic disappeared after two posts and arose again like a phoenix.
Y'all ain't talk'n about "crackers" are ya? It's jus some mo Yankie code fo po white trash innit!
I am sooo sincerely interested in this topic, because my darling granddaughter is a connoisseur of all that is graham. I'm sure I have at least a dozen pictures of her sampling that treat. I'll download those pics here and it will be obvious to all what the preferred graham cracker is among the precious.
The subjugation of the graham is just another example of the corruption instigated by the MAN! Rise Up! Save the Graham!
Yo, dude...crackers? Cool.
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Damn, Rev. Graham was a Yankee bastard. Maybe I should rethink my opinion of graham crackers.
The South will rise again!
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Originally Posted by healer
We don't have Graham Crackers over here in SA, so if someone told me more about them, maybe I'll be able to decide which one I like better.
As an aside, why have I heard 'em pronounced 'Gram', instead of 'Gray-hum' ? |
Someone send this man a case!
As for the pronunciation, I always just say it like "gram". I'm not an academian or anything though, and in fact still a disappointing undergrad.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
As far as graham crackers are concerned. I mostly prefer the plain ones. The cinnamon ones are a nice change but do not go well with s'mores.
One trip to Iceland, we introduced s'mores as best as we could since they didn't have graham crackers there. Which reminds me, we'll have to bring some next time, along with Hershey bars to give the full American flavor chocolate.
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Yes, you really should introduce graham crackers to those poor, grahamless souls.
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Originally Posted by host
Cynthetiq, on behalf of myself and others who object to your comments, above, and certainly to the following comments:
.....I'm gonna take your advice....and "walk the walk".....outta here. The endorsements that enable this thread to exist on this forum, telegraph a clear enough message.
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Well, this was not my intention, but it's your decision.
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Originally Posted by uncle phil
these aren't bad, either...
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But they're still not graham crackers.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
This thread can suck my balls!!! I got your cinnamon - I got your honeywheat!!! |
Boo!
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Originally Posted by tecoyah
Wait......arent Graham Crackers a French Invention....I propose a name change.
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We should call them Fucking Good Crackers. I dislike the Reverend Graham now, so I don't want ot be reminded of him every time I eat one of these things.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Freedom Crackers?
As an aside, it is sad to see there are some that just can't allow a little humor in here. They have to post, because they have to post in every thread, but it is to complain that there is humor in here.
I guess I was there once.... humor in politics? Heavens forbid.
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All humor must be checked at the door.
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Originally Posted by flstf
The Rev. Sylvester Graham developed the Graham Cracker to be the centerpiece of his diet to suppress unhealthy carnal urges. I see the debasement of this product by adding sexy ingredients like iceing and cinnamon as more of the leftwing's attempts to advance their secular agenda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_cracker |
Haha, could be true. Those godless heathens can be tricky sometimes.
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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
Im sorry, there is only ONE link in here and there isnt a page long post telling me how the invention of the graham cracker was the precursor to weapons of mass destruction
I just cant make a decision based on a single wiki link...
I've been as derpived as a child given a (honey maid) cracker and no milk!!!!!!!!
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No milk?? That's a travesty.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
As far as any debate comparing, say, sugar cookies vs. graham crackers, I would step back and ask - a priori - that any tangential or otherwise discursive argument be framed so that the means to dissention not be obliterated.
In my travels, I have found sugar cookies to be superior to graham crackers. Ipso-facto generalizations notwithstanding, sugar cookies - having more butter content by weight than graham crackers - stomp those graham cracker fucker's asses all over town and back. It is patently obviously to anyone with a 6th grade education that sugar cookies don't have to resort to violence as a means of social change or implementation. Below is a very interesting and relevant article for making graham crackers, from a reliable media outlet, bakingsheet.blogspot.com.
souce: http://bakingsheet.blogspot.com/2005...-crackers.html
Between montitoring my mailbox and surveiling my domicile, this fascist right-wing bushgovernment has gone too far with it's psy-ops campaign upon We the People! Look for Rove to psy-op-spin graham crackers to the sheeple as a safer and healthier alternative to sugar cookies, yet at the same time relentlessly pander to the Thai-dominated sugar lobby in Washington.
souce: http://www.bilaterals.org/article.php3?id_article=1590
source: http://www.fas.usda.gov/htp2/sugar/1.../worldsit.html
Now we see a recipe, from an untouchable source, for the "best ever sugar cookies." Well worth the read.
Another very worthwhile sugar cookie recipe, in french. This time with chocolate added. Is there no place for dissent in the culinary arts???
source: http://lemondedallie.canalblog.com/a...13/434891.html
Sugar Cookie, wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_cookie
Graham Cracker, wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_cracker
Thai Sugar Lobby: http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/07/13/d50713050951.htm
Israeli Sugar Lobby: http://www.danieldrezner.com/mt/mt-c...?entry_id=2642
Brazilian sugar lobbies are in on it as well. As far as I'm concerned, there should be no shortage of individual skeptisism and verbal diahhreah from the one country supposedly regarded as the "most obese nation in the world".
Graham crackers, being founded by a religious person, need to be banned outright by judicial legislation. If not, then the repsonsibility lies soley with We, the People to change the course of history this accursed nation is heading. No more psy-ops, no more fox news rhetoric, no more rovespeak! I'm fucking sick of this partisan shit! We need to join together TODAY to end this motherfucking bullshit!
In closing, I just want to say "psy-ops" one last time.
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I've read your agruments and your sources, but I
feel that I'm still right. Ha.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
i expect little from someone whose primary complaint in politics up to now is that he had to read too much when host posts.
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When did I ever say that it was my primary complaint?
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carno's basic complaint was that political threads were being posted in other forums. i pointed out to him that this was no big deal in itself and was probably a good thing in that folk who did not generally participate inthis forum were able to address questions in other places. in response, this thread.
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This time you got it right. I've had a change of opinion though, I think the other thread is fine in GD, and this one is fine in Politics. I'm a reasonable man, and I've changed my stance.
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let's consider the logic, such as it is, that can be derived from the content of carno's snippy post--which would have been censured had it originated from other members---for example, if i had done something like this, i doubt seriously that either cyn or analog would have defended it.
but i assume that there is a 3-d friendship between him and analog and cyn such that what he does here is not required to conform to the same rules as are binding on everyone else, and now both cyn and analog have made carno's special status official.
so there are two sets of rules now.
this is a new development.
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I wasn't aware that there were different rules when it comes to me. I have been moderated my own fair share. I even think some of the mods secretly hate me
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the logic of carno's snippy semi-literate op is not only that carno does not like politics, but further that he sees in politics something of a debased form of consumer activity. like which snack food to eat. what is there to say about this notion that politics is a variant of consumerism?
that you can buy shit=that you are free?
that you can "think" about commodities=that you can think about politics?
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Whoa, you're overthinking things.
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Originally Posted by Elphaba
Oh yawn...there he goes again. Everyone knows graham crackers are superior. |
Indeed.
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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
did I miss anyone bringing up the fact that graham crackers arent even made with graham flour anymore?
my favorite pie crusts are GC crusts, much better and tastier than flour ones
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wtf? No graham flour? Those bastards.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
Gee, I didn't see that post coming
This is just typical moonbat socialist programming. The sugar is in the cookies, the cookies make you fat, Thai people like peanut butter, Karl Rove went to Thailand... Oh noes!1! It must be Bush's fault. |
Hey, it's like Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, for politics!
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Originally Posted by pan6467
No but now that you mention it..... that is bizarre..... hmmmm it's a conspiracy to destroy the Amish. They grow a lot of Graham that once was used for those crackers and now big Wheat must destroy the working Amish....
This is far deeper than just the Religious Right/Ghoul/Anti-Froggy campaign..... there is fowl play going on now.
(for those without a sense of humor... foul was purposely mispelled)
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It's all an effort to destroy the little people.
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Originally Posted by sapiens
This is in Tilted Politics. I viewed Carno's original post as a critique of posting rules on TFP in general - an extension of other posts he made in General Discussion. I thought that it reflected some hostility. I thought that it was wasn't appropriate for politics. As a critique of thread placement in TFP, I suppose it was appropriate. I felt that my comments above were reasonable and on topic. I wasn't at all hostile. I received the response above. Not particularly understanding or "fun". Apparently, a person can't talk about the politics of the board in a thread about the politics of the board in Tilted politics without getting sworn at.
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This thread had no hostility in it until people added their own.
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Originally Posted by pigglet
roach, just to double jump on pan's post a bit - i think that's the point of this post, to me at least.
no. don't take it seriously. carno was making a point...although i don't necessarily agree with how he set out to do it - i agree with you there, i'm not sure this post would have stood in other circumstances - i think it serves the point to open up for some venting of frustration at the way discourse on politics occurs by member who may not be regulars here, or who may be intimidated by the environment here. i think in the context of the little period of internal reflection going on across the boards right now, this post is strangely appropriate in that it might start making politics more approachable to some outsiders to express themselves here...and it could serve as a reminder that it doesn't always have to be so serious in here all the time.
a little irreverence is ok, i think. i can definately tell you work in academics - that symbolism with analogy between consumerism and politics i think is something only you thought of. i think carno was just being an irreverent smartass when he started this thread - no real "framing" or "positioning" involved.
supple - that italicized "I" ( I ) in your post looks like a slash.
edit: roach: i also know you can be a little sensitive about these things, so to clarify: i don't think anyone is saying there is no place in politics for yourself and/or host...well, ustwo may have made some comments about host - but seriously, you're one of the pillars in this part of the community. i honestly don't really know why, but people are apparently intimidated a bit by your on-line persona...always framing and contextualizing and positioning and so forth. as i said above, i think the best thing here is the opportunity for people to let their hair down and relax a little...even within politics. i think it could even help move the quality of conversation forward in general.
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I certainly was not saying that the current frequenters of Politics leave. I was simply using "ham-fisted, undergraduate level sarcam" to try and change the way they come down on people who aren't academians or part of the elite.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Powerclown wins the thread.
If you don't know why, you are part of the problem.
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I feel that he doesn't, no matter that I have no proof or substantial sources to back up my arguments.