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Warf Rat · 08-13-2006, 02:30 PM

OK lets deal with the Palestinians for a moment. Who lives in refugee camps for more than 40 years? Answer, nobody. Why do they live in refugee camps? Answer, the PLO and all other relevant parties wanted it that way. All the world sent money and diplomatic envoys to help, Arafat pocketed that money and intentionally oppressed those poeple. Extremists do blow themselves up, but so do other who have been conditioned over decades to believe that it is the only way to strike out at thier oppressors, even if they are wrong about the source of their oppression.
There are not now, and there has not been, one Muslum nation willing to help these people. Even if you accept that Isreal is wrong and the lands were unlawfully occupied. Who has helped the Palastinians more than the Isrealies?? No other nation employs and houses more Palastinians than Isreal.

Did Jordan ever once offer land for these opressed people? Did Sadam, who claimed, thier plight justified their actions and the actions of Hamas? Did Lebanon, Syria, Iran, or any other nation besides the US do anyting tangible to help these people? The answer is no.

I will not address your attemp to disagree with me, by saying I get my information from any news source, or group.

My opinions are my own, and I am capable of being wrong, without the help of Fox or CNN.

My central point has been, and will continue to be. When are we going to be honest with ourselves about the nature of the fight.
I have indicated, that I think the war the US has chosen to engage in is part of the problem. However, we are there now.
My earlier point of Iran tying to step up now, speaks directly to that fact.

My belief about where the people who call the shots now are located is based on logic. We know Nasrallah will not show his face anywhere, until he feels safe. His alliance with Syria and Iran is unchallanged by anyone.
Where do you think he is? Carrying a rocket launcher in southern Lebanon. No chance. He is where he knows he can't be reached without broadening the war, maybe Syria, maybe Iran, hell, maybe Pakistan. That's not the point. The point is they all claim to have the best interest of the oppressed, at the heart of thier actions. Well, if they cared about the palastinians, then they would have helped them become a prosperous state, when they were given thier independence.

The Palastinians are not the cause, or the solution to this problem.

The only way out, is to show unrelenting force, and a willingness to go anywhere, until they start acting like human beings. If not, we will suffer through generations of attacts on non-miliary targets in the name of the oppressed people of the middle east.

Just my opinion, and again, I reserve the wright to be wrong, without being accused of being a mouthpiece for anyone but myself.

08-13-2006, 02:30 PM	#25 (permalink)
Warf Rat Psycho Location: Philadelphia	OK lets deal with the Palestinians for a moment. Who lives in refugee camps for more than 40 years? Answer, nobody. Why do they live in refugee camps? Answer, the PLO and all other relevant parties wanted it that way. All the world sent money and diplomatic envoys to help, Arafat pocketed that money and intentionally oppressed those poeple. Extremists do blow themselves up, but so do other who have been conditioned over decades to believe that it is the only way to strike out at thier oppressors, even if they are wrong about the source of their oppression. There are not now, and there has not been, one Muslum nation willing to help these people. Even if you accept that Isreal is wrong and the lands were unlawfully occupied. Who has helped the Palastinians more than the Isrealies?? No other nation employs and houses more Palastinians than Isreal. Did Jordan ever once offer land for these opressed people? Did Sadam, who claimed, thier plight justified their actions and the actions of Hamas? Did Lebanon, Syria, Iran, or any other nation besides the US do anyting tangible to help these people? The answer is no. I will not address your attemp to disagree with me, by saying I get my information from any news source, or group. My opinions are my own, and I am capable of being wrong, without the help of Fox or CNN. My central point has been, and will continue to be. When are we going to be honest with ourselves about the nature of the fight. I have indicated, that I think the war the US has chosen to engage in is part of the problem. However, we are there now. My earlier point of Iran tying to step up now, speaks directly to that fact. My belief about where the people who call the shots now are located is based on logic. We know Nasrallah will not show his face anywhere, until he feels safe. His alliance with Syria and Iran is unchallanged by anyone. Where do you think he is? Carrying a rocket launcher in southern Lebanon. No chance. He is where he knows he can't be reached without broadening the war, maybe Syria, maybe Iran, hell, maybe Pakistan. That's not the point. The point is they all claim to have the best interest of the oppressed, at the heart of thier actions. Well, if they cared about the palastinians, then they would have helped them become a prosperous state, when they were given thier independence. The Palastinians are not the cause, or the solution to this problem. The only way out, is to show unrelenting force, and a willingness to go anywhere, until they start acting like human beings. If not, we will suffer through generations of attacts on non-miliary targets in the name of the oppressed people of the middle east. Just my opinion, and again, I reserve the wright to be wrong, without being accused of being a mouthpiece for anyone but myself. __________________ A day late, and a dollar short.