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Warf Rat · 08-13-2006, 08:14 AM

I want to be clear with my comments here, but I am very passionate about it, so forgive me if I start to rant.

The give peace a chance, let the world court solve the problem, Isreal should just back off, and everything will be better (please note I don't think that any of you are implying it will solve the problem, but at least make it better). That is a time tested way to ensure that things will conitinue "as is" forever.

Look, the world community said Isreal should retreat from Lebanon, Gaza and the west bank, and all would be better. They left Gaza, and 90% of the west bank, additionally whent to the UN to have the correct border, clearly defined, between themselves and Lebenon. Too what end??

This whole thing started because Isreal was invaded from both the North and the South. THIS MUST BE UNDERSTOOD. None of us would stand for that, if it was our Nation under attack from two fronts, and our soldiers were taken hostage. These are not talking pionts, they are facts.

Isreal is in a struggle for its very existance. You may think that creating the state of Isreal was a mistake and serious poeple can disagree on this point, but it's too late to change that fact now.

What most people understand, is that this is not a fight between Isreal and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a proxy for Iran, not Syria (Syria is in the pocket of the Mullahs and are not in a position to simply stop taking orders from Iran).

Because of the the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, Iran is attempting to show all middle east states who is the big dog now. If you doubt this, just look at the reation of the middle east leaders during this whole mess. The first reponse from most middle east states was condemnation of Hezbollah and limited support for Isreal. Since then, Isreal has looked frail and unable to deliver a clear defeat to Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon. That said, all middle eastern states are now calling for a cease fire and claiming Isreal must stop its offensive. Why????

It has become clear that Iran can stir the pot where and when they choose, without paying any price. All middle eastern states have something to fear.

Because Isreal is failing to win agianst Hezbollah, clearly and quickly, they know it's time to take sides, and supporting Isreal is no longer an option.
I believe, they supported Isreal in the hope that this war would destroy Helzbollah, thus dealing a major blow the the belief that Iran could do as is pleases whithout fear.

I don't presume to have any answers at this point. Since Isreal did not launch an overwhelming ground invation of souther Lebanon and stop the rockets south of the Litani River in the first days of this mess, there will be no clear way out.

Maybe, all nations who stand against terror wars should go public with the intel thay have showing all weapons, and instructions are coming direcly from Iran. Then the international community can do what Isreal clearly can not. Address Iran, put them on the defensive, for the first time. Then maybe, the moderate middle eastern states, will join the fight against the real enemy here, namely Iran. That would be create, for the first time, a clear message that wars can not be fought through random bombings of civialian targets. If Iran wants to go to war, let them send there army. They will never have the courage to do that and they will loose face in middle eastern politics.

That would be a start.

08-13-2006, 08:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
Warf Rat Psycho Location: Philadelphia	I want to be clear with my comments here, but I am very passionate about it, so forgive me if I start to rant. The give peace a chance, let the world court solve the problem, Isreal should just back off, and everything will be better (please note I don't think that any of you are implying it will solve the problem, but at least make it better). That is a time tested way to ensure that things will conitinue "as is" forever. Look, the world community said Isreal should retreat from Lebanon, Gaza and the west bank, and all would be better. They left Gaza, and 90% of the west bank, additionally whent to the UN to have the correct border, clearly defined, between themselves and Lebenon. Too what end?? This whole thing started because Isreal was invaded from both the North and the South. THIS MUST BE UNDERSTOOD. None of us would stand for that, if it was our Nation under attack from two fronts, and our soldiers were taken hostage. These are not talking pionts, they are facts. Isreal is in a struggle for its very existance. You may think that creating the state of Isreal was a mistake and serious poeple can disagree on this point, but it's too late to change that fact now. What most people understand, is that this is not a fight between Isreal and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a proxy for Iran, not Syria (Syria is in the pocket of the Mullahs and are not in a position to simply stop taking orders from Iran). Because of the the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, Iran is attempting to show all middle east states who is the big dog now. If you doubt this, just look at the reation of the middle east leaders during this whole mess. The first reponse from most middle east states was condemnation of Hezbollah and limited support for Isreal. Since then, Isreal has looked frail and unable to deliver a clear defeat to Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon. That said, all middle eastern states are now calling for a cease fire and claiming Isreal must stop its offensive. Why???? It has become clear that Iran can stir the pot where and when they choose, without paying any price. All middle eastern states have something to fear. Because Isreal is failing to win agianst Hezbollah, clearly and quickly, they know it's time to take sides, and supporting Isreal is no longer an option. I believe, they supported Isreal in the hope that this war would destroy Helzbollah, thus dealing a major blow the the belief that Iran could do as is pleases whithout fear. I don't presume to have any answers at this point. Since Isreal did not launch an overwhelming ground invation of souther Lebanon and stop the rockets south of the Litani River in the first days of this mess, there will be no clear way out. Maybe, all nations who stand against terror wars should go public with the intel thay have showing all weapons, and instructions are coming direcly from Iran. Then the international community can do what Isreal clearly can not. Address Iran, put them on the defensive, for the first time. Then maybe, the moderate middle eastern states, will join the fight against the real enemy here, namely Iran. That would be create, for the first time, a clear message that wars can not be fought through random bombings of civialian targets. If Iran wants to go to war, let them send there army. They will never have the courage to do that and they will loose face in middle eastern politics. That would be a start. __________________ A day late, and a dollar short.