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Originally Posted by hannukah harry
the reason someone can be charged with murder of the unborn when they kill a pregnant woman is because "pro-life" politicians pushed that law through in certain states (i'm not sure if there's a federal law about it). i'm curious though... how can you murder something that isn't born?
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I suppose I should be more direct in my question: Are you saying that someone who kills a pregnant woman should not also be charged will killing the unborn fetus? In my experience, I have found very people who agree with abortion who also agree with not giving those people who kill a pregnant woman a sentence for killing her unborn child.
I don't see why it matters who does the killing. Murder is murder.
Anyway, life usually entails growth, metabolic processes and responses to stimuli-- All of which occurs in an unborn fetus. "Life" doesn't begin at birth. The second a zygote forms and begins to split, it's alive.
A fetus is it's own organism, seperate of the woman. Yes, it does depend on the woman, but it is not for the woman to do to it as she pleases.
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oh yeah, btw, i'm not into euphamisms, so lets call pro-life what it really is... gender based slavery.
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Biology states that a woman must house the fetus for any given number of months. You have a problem with that? Take it up with nature
Anyway, as I stated in my previous post, in cases where a man wants to keep the child and a woman doesn't, I think that the woman carrying the child for 9 months is a fair trade off for the man spending the next 18+ years of his life in care of the child while the woman gets off free and easy.
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i scoff at the "it's a living thing and therefore you shouldn't be able to do what it wants with you, even if you don't want it in you" notion, because, unless there's been some sort of biological shift in women, they still have to house the fetus, feed the fetus, and have complications due to the presence of the fetus. since a man doesn't have to do 99% of the work in the creation of a baby, why should he have the right to have more than 1% of a say in what happens to it?
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I hate to break it to you, but a man does 50% of the work in creating a baby
Semen + Egg = Zygote
No semen? No Zygote. No zygote? No baby.
Isn't it wonderful how that works?
No matter what way you slice it, a woman does
NOT create a baby on her own, therefore she shouldn't have 100% of the say in what happens to it. That's a gross inequality; One that I'm sure that you recognize.
Human physiology says that a woman must carry the fetus for 9 months. We all know this, so there's no use in debating that much. However, simply because a woman carries a baby for 9 months, doesn't give her total control over what happens to it, especially when humans can't reproduce asexually.
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if a woman wants an abortion and the father doesn't, then the father should have found out her plans to deal with an unexpected pregnancy before unzipping his pants. if he really wants a kid and she doesn't, he can adopt.
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So a woman can deny a man the right to be a father or even force him into fatherhood, but a man can't deny a woman the right to be a mother or force her into pregnancy? That's an extreme double standard.
If men are expected to "Keep his pants on" and to "Deal with whatever the woman decides", then woman should face the same stipulations.
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if both a woman and a man want to have an abortion because they're not ready to be parents well... to that i say "have an abortion!" just make sure you still use protection to make abortion as a last resort if the other methods fail.
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You know as well as I do that that the majority of abortions are a matter of convenience, rather than necessity. Most people are irresponsible and look for the quickest and easy way out.
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in all instances i agree to abortion. too bad the majority of people who shouldn't be having kids and don't want them don't take advantage of the choices available to them and have the child anyways. for the most part, lack of people having abortions are just leading to an increase in irresponsible people raising children irresponsibly.
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There are much better solutions than abortions. Adoption, for one.
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i think that if i'd have been aborted, i wouldn't have cared. in fact, i think you could have probably murdered me anytime up to about the age of 3 and i probalby wouldn't have cared too much. sure, i might've been scared if i knew it was going to happen, but i don't think we have the cognitive abilities until sometime around 3 or 4 years to really have any real grasp of life and death and what it is to die or fear death.
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The point is that no matter what you say, you wouldn't have chosen to be aborted. In fact, no one here would. Cognitive reasoning or not, everyone has the right-- And the desire-- To live (No matter what their age) and no one should be denied that right; Not even the unborn.
Simply because it "Inconveniences" a woman doesn't give them the right to kill another human being.