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hiredgun · 08-08-2006, 04:15 PM

Again, Stevo, you're posting links to information without giving us any clue as to what your argument is, or what conclusions this should lead us to. How about spelling it out for us, rather than leaving it at innuendo?

As for the opinionjournal link: the evidence is not at all conclusive. Are you suggesting that the fake victim is sitting up and has a head shaped like a huge bucket? It doesn't look anything like a head to me. Is it really likely that someone coached by Hezbullah to play dead decided to sit up in the middle of the staged photo shoot? Could the object outlined by the sheet be anything other than evidence of a conspiracy, e.g. more rubble? If it is his head, could someone have simply propped the body up against something, or could it perhaps be attributable to rigor mortis?

In the second photo: 1) Is it possible the vehicle was caught by an explosion and not hit directly? and 2) We have no idea who took the picture (although his name is Nasser Nasser), or who was the source of the information in the caption. Could it have been a mistake?

The more important question is this: let's forget those concerns and assume that these photo are, in fact, evidence that Hizbullah is attempting to feed false or exaggerated information to the news. What impact do you think this should have on our views of the conflict in progress? This is a genuine and important question, because there is no debate without specific claims to discuss.

Are you trying to say that most or all reported civilian casualties in Lebanon are fraudulent?

Are you trying to say, for example, that the Israeli assault on Lebanon is largely some sort of myth or invention? Because that claim can easily be countered. As regards vehicles, take a look at this: http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...-campaign.html

Israel has stated that it will target any moving vehicle south of the Litani. Clearly the idea that Israel is hitting cars, even cars full of innocents, is not a fiction.

The upshot of all this is: please make specific claims so we can understand the argument you're making. Right now, this is the only argument I see: "Hizbullah is fabricating news stories that exaggerate the damage in Lebanon, therefore we are right about this war and you are wrong."

08-08-2006, 04:15 PM	#70 (permalink)
hiredgun Addict	Again, Stevo, you're posting links to information without giving us any clue as to what your argument is, or what conclusions this should lead us to. How about spelling it out for us, rather than leaving it at innuendo? As for the opinionjournal link: the evidence is not at all conclusive. Are you suggesting that the fake victim is sitting up and has a head shaped like a huge bucket? It doesn't look anything like a head to me. Is it really likely that someone coached by Hezbullah to play dead decided to sit up in the middle of the staged photo shoot? Could the object outlined by the sheet be anything other than evidence of a conspiracy, e.g. more rubble? If it is his head, could someone have simply propped the body up against something, or could it perhaps be attributable to rigor mortis? In the second photo: 1) Is it possible the vehicle was caught by an explosion and not hit directly? and 2) We have no idea who took the picture (although his name is Nasser Nasser), or who was the source of the information in the caption. Could it have been a mistake? The more important question is this: let's forget those concerns and assume that these photo are, in fact, evidence that Hizbullah is attempting to feed false or exaggerated information to the news. What impact do you think this should have on our views of the conflict in progress? This is a genuine and important question, because there is no debate without specific claims to discuss. Are you trying to say that most or all reported civilian casualties in Lebanon are fraudulent? Are you trying to say, for example, that the Israeli assault on Lebanon is largely some sort of myth or invention? Because that claim can easily be countered. As regards vehicles, take a look at this: http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...-campaign.html Israel has stated that it will target any moving vehicle south of the Litani. Clearly the idea that Israel is hitting cars, even cars full of innocents, is not a fiction. The upshot of all this is: please make specific claims so we can understand the argument you're making. Right now, this is the only argument I see: "Hizbullah is fabricating news stories that exaggerate the damage in Lebanon, therefore we are right about this war and you are wrong."