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Originally Posted by frogza
The plans were hatched from houses, the spies that gathered intelligence did so from towns and cities. The shots that the colonials fired were from forests and fields not from behind a wall of women and children.
To sum up the american revolution by comparing it to tactics used by Hezbollah is only an excersise of ignorance. It's very easy and indeed common to throw a label (such as self-righteous hypocrisy) on that which you do not understand.
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You misunderstand what I said.
First of all, I never said that US revolutionaries used civilians as "human shields".
The comment about "self-righteous hypocrisy" meant that I'm sure, were your lands to be invaded, that you would fight from where-ever necessary, and that you would probably fight in your civilian clothes.
It seems I touched an open nerve.
Mr Mephisto
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Go show me where the revolutionary fighters in the US tried to hide in civilian areas to increase civilian deaths or used their own children as suicide bombs.
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Whoa... slow down there Tiger.
LOL
I never said that.
I said that, based on today's standards, US Revolutionaries could be,
would be, labeled terrorists.
I also said I hate pretentious self-righteous hypocrisy about the shock (the SHOCK!) that Hezbollah would fight the Israelis where and when they could.
Pretentious because some people pretend to be shocked. Everyone knows this happens, so why act all surprised.
Self-righteous because I don't believe people in safe homes, with comfy sofas and large TVs really know what it's like to have to endure the oppression the Palestinian people endure (for example), or what it's like to live with the threat of Katushya rockets raining down in hour neightbourhood. Spend a day in a man's shoes before you condemn him.
Hypocrisy because I believe anyone (or most people) would also defend their country against an invader as much as possible. After all, isn't this the reason you American's hold on so tightly to your right to bear arms? Specifically to ensure you can defend your homes against invaders? :-/
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Horrible things can happen in war, but such actions were NEVER the policy of the US forces. You will note the battles were fought almost entirely in the fields, NOT in the cities.
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I never said they were. For starters, the majority of people in those days were agrarian, so by simple mathematical probability, the battles would have been fought in the countryside. But that's beside the point, as I didn't say otherwise.
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You are an apologist for Hezbollah,
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No I am not.
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you are condemning the US here,
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No I am not. I am regailing against those who automatically act as if they would never revert to "dirty tactics" when defending their homes and families. And those who act so surprised that this could happen.
Of course it could and does happen.
My record in condemning terrorists on this board stands for itself. I've lived with terrorism for years mate. Somehow I don't think you have.
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you are saying they are the same as the US revolutionaries.
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No I am not. Reread what I posted. I simply asked that Americans "cast their eye inward and backward" and that US Revolutionaries would probably be labeled terrorists today. It's quite clear.
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I can't stand such awful, self-righteous and off base moral equivalence where there is no such equivalence.
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Ermm... righty-oh. Then we both agree. Good job I didn't say what you think I said.
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Whats worse is that by your twisted logic, we would not be able to take sides or pass moral judgement on something like slavery today since slavery was allowed in the United States 135 years ago.
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Well, you know that's the first good point you make. This brings up an excellent issue. And you know, you're right. I guess we can't compare different times and places as identical. There are no absolutes. Everything is relative and contextual drivers influence the rights and wrongs of every situation.
Hang on a minute... That's actually my point!
Thanks Ustwo for validating my position.
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If you had a point besides 'The US is like Hezbollah' I missed it entirely and if that was in fact your point you know where you can put it.
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I didn't have that point. And I'm pleased that in your last sentence you admit that you may not be correct in your knee-jerk over reaction to something I didn't actually say.
Mr Mephisto